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Post by captainconfident on Mar 14, 2020 0:18:55 GMT
Total overreaction.People know when its time to die. We have far too many old people suffering from age related illness. NHS is merciless when it comes to extending life and not helping alleviate end of life suffering. Here's hoping that this time they will come to terms with merciful release and stop p#ssing around. Both my parents suffered for WEEKS while professionals sat on their hands. You wouldnt put a dog through it. I did see a candid warning from a doctor to old people that if they went to hospital with this virus, they would most probably be "entubated" and could die on a hospital bed with these in place. They might consider trying to ride out this illness at home instead. That was the gist of it.
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Post by gravitykillz on Mar 14, 2020 0:18:58 GMT
High risk group are mainly pensioners.
If a large enough portion of this group passes away the government would save billions. Not sure if it's in the government's interest to protect people over 65.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 14, 2020 0:58:20 GMT
We will be where Italy is now in approximately 5 weeks. The UK government yesterday suggested we're 4 weeks behind them. BUT oddly... UK cases today = 798 and Italy passed that figure only two weeks ago (with 655 cases on 27/2/20, and 889 on 28/2/20). So currently we would seem to be just two weeks behind them. Italy today (two weeks later) = 17,660. Italy's climb out trajectory is slightly steeper than ours, but whether we move out to being as much as 4 weeks behind them remains to be seen.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 14, 2020 2:27:04 GMT
Total overreaction.People know when its time to die. We have far too many old people suffering from age related illness. NHS is merciless when it comes to extending life and not helping alleviate end of life suffering. Here's hoping that this time they will come to terms with merciful release and stop p#ssing around. Both my parents suffered for WEEKS while professionals sat on their hands. You wouldnt put a dog through it. I did see a candid warning from a doctor to old people that if they went to hospital with this virus, they would most probably be "entubated" and could die on a hospital bed with these in place. They might consider trying to ride out this illness at home instead. That was the gist of it. Would such intubation mean continual light sedation, or fully knocked out, or put into induced coma, or what? Perhaps preferable to "exit" that way, zonked out, oblivious and under medical care, than at home fully conscious? Any doctors here please? As captainconfident suggests, many of us pensioners could have difficult choices to face and any guidance would be welcome. I'd be happy to give up my ITU/ECMO place to a younger person with more life ahead, or a family to care for, but if that option isn't available, it would be nice to know the best alternative to aim for.
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Post by southseacompany on Mar 14, 2020 2:29:12 GMT
Essentially, for every 100* twenty year olds who are infected with COVID-19 and survive thereby accruing some level of immunity, an eighty year old will catch it and die A few have to be sacrificed to ensure the safety of the many. Boris may have copied this idea from the Aztec Empire. If you're elderly, get ready to do your part to appease the gods. Not sure how well this plan fares if there is a significant risk of reinfection as some claim.
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Post by mv on Mar 14, 2020 7:44:05 GMT
I did see a candid warning from a doctor to old people that if they went to hospital with this virus, they would most probably be "entubated" and could die on a hospital bed with these in place. They might consider trying to ride out this illness at home instead. That was the gist of it. Would such intubation mean continual light sedation, or fully knocked out, or put into induced coma, or what? Perhaps preferable to "exit" that way, zonked out, oblivious and under medical care, than at home fully conscious? Any doctors here please? As captainconfident suggests, many of us pensioners could have difficult choices to face and any guidance would be welcome. I'd be happy to give up my ITU/ECMO place to a younger person with more life ahead, or a family to care for, but if that option isn't available, it would be nice to know the best alternative to aim for. Older people and those with comorbidities will not be intubated. We do not have enough ventilators, beds or staff to look after such patients. The outcomes in this group are extremely poor. If you get intubated with covid you will be on a ventilator for weeks and most likely need to wean with a tracheostomy. It’s looking very grim
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Post by benaj on Mar 14, 2020 7:48:25 GMT
youtu.be/3rmMh2pLKAcEven Jeremy Hunt is concerned by the Government response. If UK is really 4 weeks behind Italy, what can the government do for preparation?
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Post by mv on Mar 14, 2020 8:20:35 GMT
youtu.be/3rmMh2pLKAcEven Jeremy Hunt is concerned by the Government response. If UK is really 4 weeks behind Italy, what can the government do for preparation? Hospitals are preparing around the clock. Forget government, we are the ones drawing up the battle plans. Elective surgery is ending soon. Anaesthetists are refreshing their itu skills. Itu capacity is being doubled. But it won’t be enough
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2020 9:03:40 GMT
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Worldometers has added a new column, Total number of cases per million population. Here's the league table so far 1. Italy 206 cases / million 2. South Korea 151 cases / million 3. Bahrain 111 cases / million Huabei region 1148 cases / millionChina 56 cases / million UK 6.7 cases / million Macao less than 0.01 cases / million Sources from WHO Be interesting to see that alongside data about how much testing has been done. UK currently 450.8 tests per 1m, 11.8 cases, so 38 -ve per 1 +ve S Korea 4831 tests, 157 cases, 31 -ve per +ve Italy 1420 tests, 292 cases, 4.8 -ve per +ve France - 98 tests, 56 cases, 1.75 -ve per +ve Nobody seems to be mentioning Norway, who've rocketed to 2nd in the world on cases per million - 1514 tests, 183 cases, 8.3 -ve per +ve Testing figures from ourworldindata.org/covid-testingCase figures from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 14, 2020 9:24:44 GMT
Be interesting to see that alongside data about how much testing has been done. UK currently 450.8 tests per 1m, 11.8 cases, so 38 -ve per 1 +ve S Korea 4831 tests, 157 cases, 31 -ve per +ve Italy 1420 tests, 292 cases, 4.8 -ve per +ve France - 98 tests, 56 cases, 1.75 -ve per +ve Nobody seems to be mentioning Norway, who've rocketed to 2nd in the world on cases per million - 1514 tests, 183 cases, 8.3 -ve per +ve Testing figures from ourworldindata.org/covid-testingCase figures from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countriesewe are probably at the point where +ve cases to number tested ratios risk being meaningless. The UK started doing some testing to track community infection rates early; others (Norway ??) mioght have restricted to purely suspect, or suspect and contact tracking cases. So numbers are not a like for like.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2020 9:29:48 GMT
UK currently 450.8 tests per 1m, 11.8 cases, so 38 -ve per 1 +ve S Korea 4831 tests, 157 cases, 31 -ve per +ve Italy 1420 tests, 292 cases, 4.8 -ve per +ve France - 98 tests, 56 cases, 1.75 -ve per +ve Nobody seems to be mentioning Norway, who've rocketed to 2nd in the world on cases per million - 1514 tests, 183 cases, 8.3 -ve per +ve Testing figures from ourworldindata.org/covid-testingCase figures from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countriesewe are probably at the point where +ve cases to number tested ratios risk being meaningless. The UK started doing some testing to track community infection rates early; others (Norway ??) mioght have restricted to purely suspect, or suspect and contact tracking cases. So numbers are not a like for like. And yet the UK's number of tests is relatively high (11th highest amongst countries reporting), but our number of cases is relatively low (27th) As far as Norway never being mentioned goes, I think it actually provides a good illustration of the media angle. They're very high in the cases per population. But they're low in the outright number of cases (because small country), and virtually no deaths. It simply doesn't suit the hype - because if they focus on cases per population, they'll have to admit that the UK has only just hit double-figures... Covid has come closer to me personally that I'd like. I'm a member of a community singing group who meet weekly. Our leader's husband was released from hospital last weekend. He'd had a nasty fluey lurgy, which turned into pneumonia, which turned into sepsis. A fortnight in hospital was mostly spent on ITU, and he was very touch and go at one point. It now turns out that his last day in hospital coincided with the one and only county confirmed case being on the same ward. He has been advised to self-isolate (which he was doing anyway). His missus, otoh, has been told not to, unless either of them develop symptoms - which they haven't yet. (Mostly, we're pissed off because it's now looking like what was going to be an unbelievable summer of gigs is going to be dullsville... Oh, and one of the other members is a GP. He's unworried, too.)
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Post by dan1 on Mar 14, 2020 9:33:14 GMT
The UK is now officially the "Hand Washing Surrender Monkeys" 
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Post by m2btj on Mar 14, 2020 9:55:52 GMT
Chelsea player Callum Hudson-Odoi recovered from the virus within a few days & Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta is felling much better after being diagnosed earlier in the week. It would appear that the effect of the virus on these young, fit individuals has been nothing more than a slight setback.
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Post by gravitykillz on Mar 14, 2020 10:09:58 GMT
Chelsea player Callum Hudson-Odoi recovered from the virus within a few days & Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta is felling much better after being diagnosed earlier in the week. It would appear that the effect of the virus on these young, fit individuals has been nothing more than a slight setback. Does that mean tom Hanks who is in his 60's is going to bite the big one ?
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Post by one21 on Mar 14, 2020 10:12:50 GMT
I recommend this article. It is a few days old but very illustrative Thanks wiseclerk, haven't had time to read all of it yet but its making a lot of sense to me so far!
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