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Post by agent69 on Oct 23, 2021 9:27:30 GMT
The Peak Rate here in BG was 246 cases per 100,000 the current rate in Wales is 529 so twice as high. Parts of Cardiff are above 1,100 The Highest in BG is 469 sonaturally the locals feel aggrieved that it seems different rules are being applied deending on which areas are affected.
This resource shows Vale of Glamorgan having 125 cases per 100,000 yesterday; Cardiff 119; Newport 115 and Blaenau Gwent 170 (and the highest of the Valleys, too). That would argue for BG being the first candidate for lockdown! That resource is a bit misleading given they appear to quote rates per day per 100,000, whereas the norm is to quote rates per week per 100,000. It also shows infection rates in every area coming down by 80% over the last week.
I stick with the gov web site and this shows BG has the highest rate in Wales at 1182. Cardiff on average is 821.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 23, 2021 9:38:39 GMT
I thought everyone was getting the Pfizer booster. AZ is a definite nono. Yes and those moaning about having a third dose of Pfizer were sitting pretty when some of us like me had the inferior vaccine. Pfizer here we come.... Think yourself lucky.
Hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries would jump at the chance of having the inferior vaccine.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 23, 2021 11:48:04 GMT
Yes and those moaning about having a third dose of Pfizer were sitting pretty when some of us like me had the inferior vaccine. Pfizer here we come.... Think yourself lucky.
Hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries would jump at the chance of having the inferior vaccine. Not sure that's true. The poorer country that I know about has most of its population terrified of any vaccine.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 23, 2021 12:14:04 GMT
This resource shows Vale of Glamorgan having 125 cases per 100,000 yesterday; Cardiff 119; Newport 115 and Blaenau Gwent 170 (and the highest of the Valleys, too). That would argue for BG being the first candidate for lockdown! That resource is a bit misleading given they appear to quote rates per day per 100,000, whereas the norm is to quote rates per week per 100,000. It also shows infection rates in every area coming down by 80% over the last week.
I stick with the gov web site and this shows BG has the highest rate in Wales at 1182. Cardiff on average is 821.
Fair comment, a 7 day moving average is a better measure. Your link shows BG as almost the highest in Britain. I trust its inhabitants no longer feel unfairly treated and that others should be locking down ahead of them.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 23, 2021 13:46:12 GMT
Think yourself lucky.
Hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries would jump at the chance of having the inferior vaccine. Not sure that's true. The poorer country that I know about has most of its population terrified of any vaccine. Russia?
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Post by michaelc on Oct 23, 2021 14:49:30 GMT
Not sure that's true. The poorer country that I know about has most of its population terrified of any vaccine. Russia? Hardly - they are swimming in vaccine. But they also suffer hugely from vaccine hesitancy mostly because they tend to believe a lot in old wive's tales and generally mistrust scientists/doctors.
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Post by archie on Oct 23, 2021 15:01:39 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Oct 23, 2021 15:14:44 GMT
Hardly - they are swimming in vaccine. But they also suffer hugely from vaccine hesitancy mostly because they tend to believe a lot in old wive's tales and generally mistrust scientists/doctors. Would have thought it was a perfect match for your description
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Post by michaelc on Oct 23, 2021 15:38:31 GMT
Not sure what your point is there but given Russia makes its own vaccine why would they try to stop people using it? I would say the Reuters article is sewing more anti-russian information itself. The only recent article I could find in rt.com was this one which doesn't seem hugely anti-vax to me: www.rt.com/news/538052-sputnik-light-mrna-booster/No, without a doubt the biggest problem with vaccines in Russia is the superstitious nature of its people. That applies equally to most former Soviet countries including Ukraine (which was the one I originally had in mind).
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Post by keitha on Oct 23, 2021 15:45:16 GMT
That resource is a bit misleading given they appear to quote rates per day per 100,000, whereas the norm is to quote rates per week per 100,000. It also shows infection rates in every area coming down by 80% over the last week.
I stick with the gov web site and this shows BG has the highest rate in Wales at 1182. Cardiff on average is 821.
Fair comment, a 7 day moving average is a better measure. Your link shows BG as almost the highest in Britain. I trust its inhabitants no longer feel unfairly treated and that others should be locking down ahead of them. of course they feelhard done towhen they see this:-
Area Cases
Infection rate per 100,000 Torfaen 746 786.7 Cardiff 2,834 767.6 Pembrokeshire 939 740.8 Vale of Glamorgan 987 729.5 Trafford 1,682 708 Peterborough 1,433 707.2 Cheshire East 2,660 687.9 Bath and North East Somerset 1,341 682.9 Northamptonshire 4,962 655.3 Barnsley 1,560 628.9 Halton 814 627.3 Warrington 1,308 624.7
which doesn't even have BG on the list and Cardiff top
what is more upsetting for many is we have had stricter and longer lockdowns in Wales And yet the highest incidence rates in the UK
perhaps on thing this does showis how with the same figures you can get different results
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Post by archie on Oct 23, 2021 16:59:41 GMT
No t sure what your point is there but given Russia makes its own vaccine why would they try to stop people using it? I would say the Reuters article is sewing more anti-russian information itself. The only recent article I could find in rt.com was this one which doesn't seem hugely anti-vax to me: www.rt.com/news/538052-sputnik-light-mrna-booster/No, without a doubt the biggest problem with vaccines in Russia is the superstitious nature of its people. That applies equally to most former Soviet countries including Ukraine (which was the one I originally had in mind). I think the point was, having sown disinformation on western vaccines, there is a distrust of all vaccines.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 23, 2021 17:02:42 GMT
Fair comment, a 7 day moving average is a better measure. Your link shows BG as almost the highest in Britain. I trust its inhabitants no longer feel unfairly treated and that others should be locking down ahead of them. of course they feelhard done towhen they see this:-
Area Cases
Infection rate per 100,000 Torfaen 746 786.7 Cardiff 2,834 767.6 Pembrokeshire 939 740.8 Vale of Glamorgan 987 729.5 Trafford 1,682 708 Peterborough 1,433 707.2 Cheshire East 2,660 687.9 Bath and North East Somerset 1,341 682.9 Northamptonshire 4,962 655.3 Barnsley 1,560 628.9 Halton 814 627.3 Warrington 1,308 624.7
which doesn't even have BG on the list and Cardiff top
what is more upsetting for many is we have had stricter and longer lockdowns in Wales And yet the highest incidence rates in the UK
perhaps on thing this does showis how with the same figures you can get different results
Praise be to devolved powers
PS: I see BG is now 1312, up by 253% in a week
PPS: will be interesting to see what happens to the rates in Glasgow following the COP 26 gathering. 25,000 participants along with 100,000 protestors.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 23, 2021 17:09:35 GMT
Not sure what your point is there but given Russia makes its own vaccine why would they try to stop people using it? I would say the Reuters article is sewing more anti-russian information itself. The only recent article I could find in rt.com was this one which doesn't seem hugely anti-vax to me: www.rt.com/news/538052-sputnik-light-mrna-booster/No, without a doubt the biggest problem with vaccines in Russia is the superstitious nature of its people. That applies equally to most former Soviet countries including Ukraine (which was the one I originally had in mind). I think it's more a case of being suspicious, rather than superstitious. Vlad the impaler would like all Russians to get vaccinated but nobody trust him.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 23, 2021 23:22:36 GMT
Fair comment, a 7 day moving average is a better measure. Your link shows BG as almost the highest in Britain. I trust its inhabitants no longer feel unfairly treated and that others should be locking down ahead of them. of course they feelhard done towhen they see this:-
Area Cases
Infection rate per 100,000 Torfaen 746 786.7 Cardiff 2,834 767.6 Pembrokeshire 939 740.8 Vale of Glamorgan 987 729.5 Trafford 1,682 708 Peterborough 1,433 707.2 Cheshire East 2,660 687.9 Bath and North East Somerset 1,341 682.9 Northamptonshire 4,962 655.3 Barnsley 1,560 628.9 Halton 814 627.3 Warrington 1,308 624.7
which doesn't even have BG on the list and Cardiff top
what is more upsetting for many is we have had stricter and longer lockdowns in Wales And yet the highest incidence rates in the UK
perhaps on thing this does showis how with the same figures you can get different results
Ok, that list comes from the WalesOnline article you posted earlier. It's sloppy reporting. As I mentioned above, just beneath that table there's a map showing the Valleys having the worst figures in Wales. Not Cardiff, nor the Vale, but the Valleys. All in the same article. That inconsistent message doesn't surprise me in the least, because I've always found the WalesOnline news outlet, published by the Mirror Group/Reach plc, to be unreliable and somewhat trashy. So the good people of Blaenau Gwent might be better served by obtaining their data from a more reliable source, such as that provided above by agent69. And over a slightly longer time frame, rather than jumping to unfounded conclusions based on one week's data set alone. They may have felt hard done by last week, but this week tells a very different story: BG is now almost the very worst in the whole UK.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 24, 2021 11:31:02 GMT
Interesting report there from the EU. I contrast it with France's Micron rubbishing the Astra Zeneca vaccine, where they didn't seem quite so ready to write in these terms... "Citing its own database on disinformation, the EU study said it found over 250 cases by Russian outlet Geopolitica.ru that sought to ridicule COVID-19 vaccinations and other measures.
"The claim of the uselessness of the vaccine is repeated in Italian, in Spanish, in English, in Dutch, and in Russian," the study found.
"The vaccines work. But the lies work as well," the EU report said, noting "a chorus of false claims and conspiracy theories on the vaccine ... risking the lives of thousands uponr thousands of people, internationally and in Russia." "Is there any difference from Micron's petulant outbursts about AZ? And where was the EU's slapdown then?
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