JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 27, 2021 15:51:53 GMT
So far there is little sign of more people in hospital so is the panic necessary?
Maybe we will find out this week but cases elsewhere are dropping quickly so I am hoping for an early peak.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Dec 27, 2021 16:08:23 GMT
From that link...
Last daily hospitalisation figure - 1,171, on 20th Dec.
Most recent 7-day average - 940, on 17th Dec.
7-day average at the start of Dec - around 770.
I call that a near 50% increase in hospitalisations in the three weeks since the arrival of Omigawd.
I wonder what the last week's figures are?
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 27, 2021 16:19:45 GMT
The 7 day average has been about 900 since July so no effect so far, maybe a rush to get tested before Christmas has given a false impression of increasing cases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 16:29:41 GMT
do we have any data on the levels of long-covid from O'Macron yet?
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 27, 2021 16:43:28 GMT
So far there is not much evidence of people even becoming ill here, so probably no long term effects anywhere in the world yet. Time will tell.
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Post by registerme on Dec 27, 2021 16:46:55 GMT
There's an interesting comment in the Christmas double edition of the Economist relevant to the recent debate we've had here:-
"... points out that Omicron's success at reinfecting people may give the impression a smaller fraction gets severely ill just by inflating the denominator. It could thus seem more benign even if, among those contracting COVID for the first time, it were just as dangerous as Delta".
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Post by adrianc on Dec 27, 2021 17:48:55 GMT
The 7 day average has been about 900 since July so no effect so far Yes, it has been mostly around the low-700s to high-800s range, nearer to the lower end of that since a brief October pop up to 1,000+... BUT the most recent 7-day average covers the period 10/12 to 17/12...
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 27, 2021 19:11:34 GMT
I can't make sense of that at an English language comprehension level, let alone at a medical/virology/immunology level. Not sure why but my point was that the vaccines are designed to target the spike protein in coronavirus. The omicron mutations act as a disguise which confuses the immune response but one that sufficient of the bodies defences (T cells largely it seems) can see through to prevent severe disease. A more effective 'disguise' would not result in a reduction of severity of disease the science seems to be suggesting my comment was addressed at michaelc's comment - hence why his post was in the quote box, not yours, not yours. I agree with your above: obviously, because its most likely to be true, and because I (and several others) have been making it time and again, despite protestations on here along the lines of but taking several different guises that 'Azn is completely useless against 'O'. Unfortunately it seems that the difference between protection against infection vs serious disease; short term protection vs long term; straight anti-bodies vs T Cells; immune system memory; and the overall complexity of the human immune system, viruses and the interaction appear to sometimes get rather 'lost' and forgotten despite frequent repeating.
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 27, 2021 19:17:36 GMT
Not sure why but my point was that the vaccines are designed to target the spike protein in coronavirus. The omicron mutations act as a disguise which confuses the immune response but one that sufficient of the bodies defences (T cells largely it seems) can see through to prevent severe disease. A more effective 'disguise' would not result in a reduction of severity of disease the science seems to be suggesting my comment was addressed at michaelc's comment, not yours. I agree with your above. Ah, I got confused by the bold which I thought you'd added but was actually mikeyC
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Post by agent69 on Dec 28, 2021 10:08:29 GMT
Looks like it's not just the UK labs that can mess up testing.
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Post by benaj on Dec 28, 2021 11:29:03 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Dec 28, 2021 12:01:31 GMT
From that link... Last daily hospitalisation figure - 1,171, on 20th Dec. Most recent 7-day average - 940, on 17th Dec. 7-day average at the start of Dec - around 770. I call that a near 50% increase in hospitalisations in the three weeks since the arrival of Omigawd. I wonder what the last week's figures are? Lots of good stuff from someone who should know.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2021 12:15:46 GMT
From that link... Last daily hospitalisation figure - 1,171, on 20th Dec. Most recent 7-day average - 940, on 17th Dec. 7-day average at the start of Dec - around 770. I call that a near 50% increase in hospitalisations in the three weeks since the arrival of Omigawd. I wonder what the last week's figures are? Lots of good stuff from someone who should know. So to summarise that... (Figures are not on coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare yet, but released yesterday. They'll probably appear soon.) 27% increase in Cov+ patients in hospital in a week, across England, 45% in London. Overall, 25%-33% of the peak from January, though - which was pre-vaccination. Severity is down. Lots of those are asymptomatic +ve cases on admission for other things. I read that as it's rife in the community, but the vaccinations are working well to reduce symptoms. However, we're still only a month from the first official Omigawd cases in the country.
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Post by benaj on Dec 28, 2021 13:03:14 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Dec 28, 2021 13:08:45 GMT
Lots of good stuff from someone who should know. So to summarise that... (Figures are not on coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare yet, but released yesterday. They'll probably appear soon.) 27% increase in Cov+ patients in hospital in a week, across England, 45% in London. Overall, 25%-33% of the peak from January, though - which was pre-vaccination. Severity is down. Lots of those are asymptomatic +ve cases on admission for other things. I read that as it's rife in the community, but the vaccinations are working well to reduce symptoms. However, we're still only a month from the first official Omigawd cases in the country. haha. Its almost as if you want the pandemic to continue as long as possible.
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