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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2021 13:27:43 GMT
So to summarise that... (Figures are not on coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare yet, but released yesterday. They'll probably appear soon.) 27% increase in Cov+ patients in hospital in a week, across England, 45% in London. Overall, 25%-33% of the peak from January, though - which was pre-vaccination. Severity is down. Lots of those are asymptomatic +ve cases on admission for other things. I read that as it's rife in the community, but the vaccinations are working well to reduce symptoms. However, we're still only a month from the first official Omigawd cases in the country. haha. Its almost as if you want the pandemic to continue as long as possible. No, it's more that I recognise that "crossing my fingers and pretending something I don't like isn't there" doesn't actually work... Most people understand that by the age of about, ooh, five.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 28, 2021 14:46:56 GMT
For perspective, it might be worth a mention that 1000 +/- 300 daily admissions to hospital is a blip on the radar as far as overall hospital admissions go. Pre-covid, A&E admissions ran at over 50,000 daily. |
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Post by michaelc on Dec 28, 2021 15:36:27 GMT
haha. Its almost as if you want the pandemic to continue as long as possible. No, it's more that I recognise that "crossing my fingers and pretending something I don't like isn't there" doesn't actually work... Most people understand that by the age of about, ooh, five. But you seem to miss the bit where the guy in charge of all hospitals has stated that unlike previous waves there are very few cases presenting with life threatening covid. Most are folk who have been admitted for other reasons but just happen to have covid or have caught it. This is exactly the experience of doctors treating omicron in S.Africa.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2021 15:53:00 GMT
No, it's more that I recognise that "crossing my fingers and pretending something I don't like isn't there" doesn't actually work... Most people understand that by the age of about, ooh, five. But you seem to miss the bit where the guy in charge of all hospitals has stated that unlike previous waves there are very few cases presenting with life threatening covid. Most are folk who have been admitted for other reasons but just happen to have covid or have caught it. This is exactly the experience of doctors treating omicron in S.Africa. Perhaps you'd care to re-read my post, because I certainly didn't miss it.
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Post by pikestaff on Dec 28, 2021 16:05:02 GMT
For perspective, it might be worth a mention that 1000 +/- 300 daily admissions to hospital is a blip on the radar as far as overall hospital admissions go. Pre-covid, A&E admissions ran at over 50,000 daily. The first sentence is half right. The second is seriously wrong, but it's not your fault. Comparing the two graphs in the linked article, the numbers in the second (labelled as A&E admissions) are greater than those in the first (for total admissions). So the second graph must be mis-labelled. It is evident from the text that the numbers in the second graph are actually for A&E attendances. As far as I can see from the quarterly statistics for 2018-19, about a quarter of pre-Covid A&E attendances resulted in emergency admissions (something like 18,000 per day in the busiest winter quarter). See www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/ae-waiting-times-and-activity/ae-attendances-and-emergency-admissions-2018-19/ and in particular www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/11/Quarter-4-201819-AE-by-provider-hs7s9.xls linked to therefrom. (STP Level Data tab, cells H17 and Z17) 18,000 pre-Covid A&E admissions per day is still a big number compared to the rate of Covid admissions. However, with little or no slack in the system, and with loads of staff off sick or isolating, it's easy to see how the latter could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. While it is good news that Omicron seems to be less severe, the short term impact on staff numbers is a worry. To my mind this is now the strongest argument for restrictions.
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Post by benaj on Dec 28, 2021 16:53:47 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 28, 2021 17:26:29 GMT
For perspective, it might be worth a mention that 1000 +/- 300 daily admissions to hospital is a blip on the radar as far as overall hospital admissions go. Pre-covid, A&E admissions ran at over 50,000 daily. The first sentence is half right. The second is seriously wrong, but it's not your fault. Comparing the two graphs in the linked article, the numbers in the second (labelled as A&E admissions) are greater than those in the first (for total admissions). So the second graph must be mis-labelled. It is evident from the text that the numbers in the second graph are actually for A&E attendances. As far as I can see from the quarterly statistics for 2018-19, about a quarter of pre-Covid A&E attendances resulted in emergency admissions (something like 18,000 per day in the busiest winter quarter). See www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/ae-waiting-times-and-activity/ae-attendances-and-emergency-admissions-2018-19/ and in particular www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/11/Quarter-4-201819-AE-by-provider-hs7s9.xls linked to therefrom. (STP Level Data tab, cells H17 and Z17) 18,000 pre-Covid A&E admissions per day is still a big number compared to the rate of Covid admissions. However, with little or no slack in the system, and with loads of staff off sick or isolating, it's easy to see how the latter could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. While it is good news that Omicron seems to be less severe, the short term impact on staff numbers is a worry. To my mind this is now the strongest argument for restrictions. Good spot!
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Post by registerme on Dec 28, 2021 17:57:22 GMT
However, with little or no slack in the system, and with loads of staff off sick or isolating, it's easy to see how the latter could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. While it is good news that Omicron seems to be less severe, the short term impact on staff numbers is a worry. To my mind this is now the strongest argument for restrictions. The hospital my radiologist friend works at is currently running at about 20% staff absence due to covid.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 28, 2021 19:11:36 GMT
However, with little or no slack in the system, and with loads of staff off sick or isolating, it's easy to see how the latter could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. While it is good news that Omicron seems to be less severe, the short term impact on staff numbers is a worry. To my mind this is now the strongest argument for restrictions. The hospital my radiologist friend works at is currently running at about 20% staff absence due to covid. Makes me wonder if we need to stop isolation. We're all virtually certain to get omicron. I understand the flattening the curve but if that means we have 20% staff absences at hospital I wonder if we'd be best off getting it over with as soon as possible.
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Post by benaj on Dec 28, 2021 19:30:44 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Dec 28, 2021 20:27:07 GMT
France records 179,807 cases, but you still can't come in if you're english.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 28, 2021 21:03:00 GMT
France records 179,807 cases, but you still can't come in if you're english. English or coming from England ?
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Post by keitha on Dec 28, 2021 22:02:38 GMT
France records 179,807 cases, but you still can't come in if you're english. English or coming from England ? English or British, from England or the UK & Northern Ireland
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Post by benaj on Dec 28, 2021 22:04:34 GMT
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