adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2021 22:47:31 GMT
English or coming from England ? English or British, from England or the UK & Northern Ireland I'm just going to put this here, for the benefit of those who ought to know better... 
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Post by keitha on Dec 28, 2021 23:31:01 GMT
whoops wrong place.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 29, 2021 3:00:45 GMT
I hope nobody's trying to learn from that graphic! Firstly, is the statement "The UK aka Britain" actually correct? We could probably debate that for days. It's certainly one view, but I suspect the majority consider Britain as the short form of Great Britain, as depicted in the second panel? Secondly, "The Republic of Ireland, aka Ireland" then conflicts with "Ireland" as depicted in panel four! Doesn't seem the tightest of definitions. Confused yet? Well this will blow your mind... There seems to be quite some debate around what comprises Great Britain. Is it just the major landmass, or does it include the Scottish Isles and Isle of Wight? The link above and this graphic say the former, while others say the latter. Compounding matters, Great Britain geographically and Great Britain politically are evidently two different entities. I confess I didn't appreciate that until today! So should panel two include the Scottish islands and Isle of Wight, which have been omitted in the transition from panel one? Politically yes, geographically yes or no, depending on your source. It begs the question, do the residents of the Isle of Wight consider themselves citizens of Great Britain? Panel two seems to hedge its bets, being a shade (at least on my screen) somewhere between the two! EDIT: There won't be any easy answers... debate link |
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Post by littleoldlady on Dec 29, 2021 8:30:39 GMT
And Americans call the whole lot "England".
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Post by adrianc on Dec 29, 2021 9:39:05 GMT
It begs the question, do the residents of the Isle of Wight consider themselves citizens of Great Britain? However they consider themselves, it's a simple fact that nobody is a citizen of Great Britain. There are tens of millions of citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, though...
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Post by keitha on Dec 29, 2021 10:40:29 GMT
I hope nobody's trying to learn from that graphic! Firstly, is the statement "The UK aka Britain" actually correct? We could probably debate that for days. It's certainly one view, but I suspect the majority consider Britain as the short form of Great Britain, as depicted in the second panel? Secondly, "The Republic of Ireland, aka Ireland" then conflicts with "Ireland" as depicted in panel four! Doesn't seem the tightest of definitions. Confused yet? Well this will blow your mind... There seems to be quite some debate around what comprises Great Britain. Is it just the major landmass, or does it include the Scottish Isles and Isle of Wight? The link above and this graphic say the former, while others say the latter. Compounding matters, Great Britain geographically and Great Britain politically are evidently two different entities. I confess I didn't appreciate that until today! So should panel two include the Scottish islands and Isle of Wight, which have been omitted in the transition from panel one? Politically yes, geographically yes or no, depending on your source. It begs the question, do the residents of the Isle of Wight consider themselves citizens of Great Britain? Panel two seems to hedge its bets, being a shade (at least on my screen) somewhere between the two! EDIT: There won't be any easy answers... debate linkAnglesey ( YNYS MON ) is in that group 2 and yes they are a different colour. looking I can see at least 2 shades of Grey ( but not 50 )
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Dec 29, 2021 10:45:48 GMT
And Americans call the whole lot "England". yes but then American who have one African Great great great great great grandparent refer to themselves as African American. People here just call themselves English, Welsh, Scots, Irish or British. ( personally despite what some say I've never heard anyone claim to be European )
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Post by michaelc on Dec 29, 2021 12:21:23 GMT
This popped into my twitter feed this afternoon from a Cambridge Uni academic and Oxford Uni hospitals consultant no less. Its almost as if he directed his response directly at Adrian.  |
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Post by adrianc on Dec 29, 2021 12:41:19 GMT
Its almost as if he directed his response directly at Adrian. No, it really isn't, because I've never "insisted" on that... All I've done is say "Hold on a bit, let's wait for the evidence", when others have been insisting for weeks that it absolutely MUST be milder, simply because they want it to be. If that evidence is starting to come through now, then great. From the final tweet in that sequence... "...which is why we are asking everyone continue to be cautious and follow the public heath guidance - but not to be living in fear"
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 29, 2021 13:22:20 GMT
It begs the question, do the residents of the Isle of Wight consider themselves citizens of Great Britain? However they consider themselves, it's a simple fact that nobody is a citizen of Great Britain. There are tens of millions of citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, though... Fair enough. Next time you pop across the border, I dare you to tell them they aren't Welsh citizens  . Living so close, you might like to test your knowledge (takes a while to load). I scored a dismal 12... www.walesonline.co.uk/interactives/can-you-pass-basic-welsh-14633338
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Post by adrianc on Dec 29, 2021 13:33:50 GMT
However they consider themselves, it's a simple fact that nobody is a citizen of Great Britain. There are tens of millions of citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, though... Fair enough. Next time you pop across the border, I dare you to tell them they aren't Welsh citizens . Blimey, did I sleep through the entire independence campaign? Same. I'm very surprised by the Monmouthshire one - just shows how irrelevant the distinction was pre-devolution. I'm even more surprised to have got the footballist one right.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 29, 2021 14:33:28 GMT
10 and that included a few lucky guesses !
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Post by jonno on Dec 29, 2021 14:54:15 GMT
10 and that included a few lucky guesses ! I got 15. I was worried at one point that I might pass 
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Post by wiseclerk on Dec 29, 2021 15:20:02 GMT
lol, I got 12, even though I had to guess most of the times.
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 29, 2021 15:49:57 GMT
Only 11 having lived there for 25 years oops. I remember Nye Bevan well since we were staying in the same hotel in Ireland one summer. The owner of the hotel told me he apologised for not having the Mirror available to which Bevan replied "You don't think I read that rubbish do you, get me the Times and Telegraph". Note to adrian, in those days there was the Manchester Guardian, very different to the current hateful paper. The hotel became famous later because Charlie Chaplin and family spent every summer holiday there for many years but even in my time there were lots of interesting people there every summer (excepting a really obnoxious labour mp called Sidney Silverman). I remember one time there were 3 Cardinals all there at the same time, the Irish, English and American ones. We were having a barbecue one friday night and Fergal the son of Freddie Boland the Irish ambassador to the UN asked the English one for a dispensation to allow him to eat meat at the barbecue. but was refused. I was also friendly with Freddie's daughter but she was on the back of a scooter I hired when she spotted his car approaching and insisted we turned off down a stony track down to a beach, however the track was too steep and we fell off with some damage and she dropped me after that. I also used to stay on in a cottage belonging to a friend of my fathers and one year we had to take a young boy called Princey around with us. Princey had a bodyguard who was an American who was 20 years in the New York police and had a revolver stuck in his belt. Princey was staying because my dad's friend was his mother's doctor and she had given him a new Bentley continental for Christmas. Apologies if this is too boring for the chat section and totally off topic.
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