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Post by agent69 on Jan 2, 2022 10:19:25 GMT
I was on holiday in Spain a month ago when the requirement to test before returning to UK was introduced.
I was amazed by the number of people who objected to it, but not because of the cost or inconvienence. They were all happy to test positive on arrival in UK and then do their quarantine at home (even though this would mean being positive on the plane), but they didn't want to risk testing positive in Spain and have to quarantine there.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 2, 2022 10:30:12 GMT
I think that last stats I saw was that about 1 in 30 people in London would have tested positive last week in London. Given that the average top flight football team probably has about 30 or so on the playing / coaching payroll, you would think they should only be missing 1 or 2 key people at any given time. However, it is obvious that a lot more than that are being affected (whereas a contact sport like rugby appears to be less affected).
Is it just overpaid, arrogant, entitled young players ignoring covid guidelines and continuing to party and socialise, or is there another reason?
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Post by keitha on Jan 2, 2022 10:35:15 GMT
it seems to be a sportsman thing, 2 Welsh Rugby teams were in South Africa when restrictions came in, they lobbied hard to be excluded from isolation, then asked to be exempted when they did comeback as some had already done 10 days as they tested positive in South Africa.
Interesting that British Boxing has shut down for January so the Doctors can concentrate on the day job.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 2, 2022 10:56:15 GMT
I think that last stats I saw was that about 1 in 30 people in London would have tested positive last week in London. Given that the average top flight football team probably has about 30 or so on the playing / coaching payroll, you would think they should only be missing 1 or 2 key people at any given time. However, it is obvious that a lot more than that are being affected (whereas a contact sport like rugby appears to be less affected).
Is it just overpaid, arrogant, entitled young players ignoring covid guidelines and continuing to party and socialise, or is there another reason?
I think it was more like 1:15 in the last dataset Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey dataIn fact I thought I had heard a week ago that it was estimated to be 1:10. I took particular note because I was due to go into London on 29/12. Football players: vaccinate or stop wages, simples. If you don't get vaccinated you are imperilling the revenues that pay your wages. So if you can't live with that, go do something else for a living. I don't much like football so don't particularly care.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 2, 2022 11:05:06 GMT
I have posted links to the JCVI statements on vaccination of the younger cohorts in the very recent past in response to the same discussion point. Indeed it may even have been that particular 22/12 update or it may have been earlier. It was ignored/didn't elicit a response.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2022 11:08:42 GMT
I think that last stats I saw was that about 1 in 30 people in London would have tested positive last week in London. Given that the average top flight football team probably has about 30 or so on the playing / coaching payroll, you would think they should only be missing 1 or 2 key people at any given time. However, it is obvious that a lot more than that are being affected (whereas a contact sport like rugby appears to be less affected).
Is it just overpaid, arrogant, entitled young players ignoring covid guidelines and continuing to party and socialise, or is there another reason?
I think it was more like 1:15 in the last dataset Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey dataIn fact I thought I had heard a week ago that it was estimated to be 1:10. I took particular note because I was due to go into London on 29/12. Yep, from memory, R4 the other day came up with... UK - 1:25 London - 1:15 Late 20s in London - 1:6
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2022 11:46:20 GMT
What do you think the chances are of developing a heart condition or other serious medical condition directly from taking any of the vaccines? I suggest you won't answer that question for the same reason. Oh, I'd be delighted to, since the answer is easily found. It's vanishingly small, even before we compare it to developing similar serious conditions from being infected by the virus. To put it into proportion... to date in this country, there have been about about 45% as many deaths with Covid on the death certificate as TOTAL "yellow card" side effect notifications across the entire country to date - and the "overwhelming majority" of those notifications have been trivial - sore arm, nausea, etc. And that's from roughly twice as many vaccinations given to date as there are people in the country - 59% of over 12s two+boost, another 23.5% two, and a final 7.5% one dose. Just 10% of over 12s have had no vacc. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reportingSpecifically myocarditis from the vacc? 863 suspected cases nationally, from nearly 52m vaccinated people. About 1 per 60,000 people. Again, for perspective... It's roughly the same number of people who are murdered in the UK in any given year, while about twice as many people die on the roads. Oh, and to translate that perspective for michaelc... The murder rate in the Ukraine is 4x that of the UK, per capita, so the risk of being murdered in the Ukraine is 4x that of contracting myocarditis from a 'vid vacc. About twice as many people die on Ukrainian roads as the UK despite a population 2/3 the size, so the risk of dying on Ukrainian roads is approximately 6x that of contracting myocarditis from a 'vid vacc.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 2, 2022 12:36:29 GMT
I have posted links to the JCVI statements on vaccination of the younger cohorts in the very recent past in response to the same discussion point. Indeed it may even have been that particular 22/12 update or it may have been earlier. It was ignored/didn't elicit a response. Gordon Bennet ! If I responded to every "friendly" post here I'd be making about 7 posts and the thread would continue to descend into chaos which is a shame as it has historically contained some interesting posts. To bernythedolt I definitely appreciate your comments but I don't consider this bullying as such. Perhaps if I was kicked off the forum but I don't think I've broken any rules by giving my opinion.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 2, 2022 13:08:44 GMT
I have posted links to the JCVI statements on vaccination of the younger cohorts in the very recent past in response to the same discussion point. Indeed it may even have been that particular 22/12 update or it may have been earlier. It was ignored/didn't elicit a response. Gordon Bennet ! If I responded to every "friendly" post here I'd be making about 7 posts and the thread would continue to descend into chaos which is a shame as it has historically contained some interesting posts. To bernythedolt I definitely appreciate your comments but I don't consider this bullying as such. Perhaps if I was kicked off the forum but I don't think I've broken any rules by giving my opinion. When one suggests you're a product of a poor education, and another says you've lost all credibility, the signs of bullying have begun.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 2, 2022 13:30:04 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 2, 2022 14:06:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 14:54:09 GMT
Interesting article, if we had a list of names of all the people who got covid wrong we might need a second internet
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 15:15:31 GMT
This article makes some quite interesting points. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/02/understanding-not-judgement-unjabbed-uk-vaccination-gapA lot of it seems to come down to simple mistrust of the government. And this is not just about the p!ss-poor self-serving behaviour of Johnson and his coterie of clowns. Although having a clown in charge surely doesn't help. Some people are genuinely scared of interaction with government departments. Think Windrush scandals, hostile environment policies, mistrust of the police, aggressive DWP policies etc. Hence, it can be a perfectly logical response to avoid interacting with the state as much as possible. Or in worrying that they are 'out to get you'. And this naturally feeds into conspiracy-like thinking. If you really believe that the government are 'out to get you', why should vaccines be any different? |
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Post by agent69 on Jan 2, 2022 15:19:07 GMT
Is this just an expert with a book to sell, who is benefiting from hindsight?
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Post by michaelc on Jan 2, 2022 15:49:28 GMT
My understanding is that these are a rag tag bunch including anti-vaxers (what is the definition of that? What do they actually believe?), anti-lockdown and anti other restrictive measures like mask wearing. I'm not sure they are all guilty of the same thing and should be labelled "deniers". What are they all denying ? That covid exists or that vaccines work or what?
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