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Post by james100 on Jan 4, 2022 16:46:32 GMT
A cinema that was ordered to close after breaking Covid rules flouted the ban to premiere a film by the son of conspiracy theorist David 'nutty as a fruit cake' Icke. Directed and produced by Mr Icke's son Jaymie, it makes several baseless accusations against NHS doctors and nurses, including that they are deliberately killing elderly people in hospitals in order to "boost the numbers" of people dying of Covid.
Professor Ferguson was seeing some fancy woman while the country was in lockdown but hey that is OK. The Government and its advisors are a bunch of hypocrites, "do as we say not as we do". He was seeing a woman, made a stupid mistake, put his hands up and resigned. The media picked his (and her) personal life apart to a grotesque and quite unnecessary extent, although I do appreciate we were all a little starved of excitement at that time and I laughed along too. That the nation lost such a highly qualified expert during that period was to our detriment and I'm glad he's back. As already mentioned, politicians from all parts of the spectrum have shown a disregard for the rules they either created or voted for, probably a similar proportion to the rest of the population.
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Post by registerme on Jan 4, 2022 17:13:59 GMT
>218k in the UK today  . |
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Post by benaj on Jan 4, 2022 17:20:08 GMT
>218k in the UK today . If staff absence can be tracked daily, it might give us a better picture how fast anything is spreading.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 4, 2022 18:27:16 GMT
Professor Ferguson was seeing some fancy woman while the country was in lockdown but hey that is OK. The Government and its advisors are a bunch of hypocrites, "do as we say not as we do". He resigned (from SAGE iirc) immediately. He's a member of NERVTAG which feeds into the government.
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Post by registerme on Jan 4, 2022 18:47:04 GMT
He resigned (from SAGE iirc) immediately. He's a member of NERVTAG which feeds into the government. {shrug} maybe so, but he resigned his position as part of SAGE. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
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Post by registerme on Jan 4, 2022 19:00:52 GMT
And apparently the US saw >1,000,000 cases reported today.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 4, 2022 19:24:30 GMT
yes I spotted that I think it was late yesterday. I wondered whether they were about to tell us there was potential for flu and covid viruses to swap rna when present in the same host and potentially produce a flurona virus. Thankfully, they didn't introduce that as a concept.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 4, 2022 19:25:32 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 4, 2022 19:35:01 GMT
You're right, my bad. I do apologise. It should indeed be 863+186+385 = 1,434. So your chances of being killed on the roads of the Ukraine this year are only about 3.5x higher, and your chances of being murdered in the Ukraine this year are only about 2.5x higher. Mea culpa! Why do you chose to include Ukraine in many of your answers and now you give examples of murder rates and road death rates? Do you have something against eastern Europeans ? Bit of an odd comment. You've stated a number of times you are living in Ukraine at the moment, and stated many times your links to it. And indeed commented about vaccination rates there. But when someone as a consequence uses Ukraine as a frame of reference, rather than see that as personalised contextual reference, it it instead interpreted to mean that the commentator has something against a group, and not even just Ukrainians but eastern Europeans as a generalised population.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 4, 2022 20:12:11 GMT
We all know some people get bad reactions to the vaccine, it also seems that people who get bad reactions to the vaccine would also get bad reaction to the virus so are at really high risk from either. You were not right about the AZ vaccine, It now seems that AZ is a very good vaccine in terms of T cell resistance, and may be giving extremely good long protection, better than the other vaccines. I think the idea of a different booster is a sensible idea to give the best possible range of protection. I don't think anyone has asked you to 'shut up' but you have to accept that people are allowed to disagree with you.. Yes you may well be right about AZN and clearly studies that show that have clearly come out after the decision in the UK to use Pfizer for the booster. My point was that for a long time it was generally thought that the mrna vaccines were generally superior but in this forum there were some who were very unhappy to here anything bad about the Oxford vaccine. My point is actually that which you have bolded. You are certainly right that people have a right to their views. Why is it then, if someone came to the forum and said "....vaccines are part of a conspiracy from Bill Gates to inject microchips into us all so that his next operating system can control us all..." he would be bullied for that opinion? In my view, that is utterly, utterly wrong and essentially crazy but I would not resort to pushing the person out. I would be interested actually to engage and try to explore where he/she was coming from. Madness maybe but apparently a lot of these flat-earthers are otherwise sane ! I don't remember that at all and I never thought so.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 4, 2022 20:50:45 GMT
And apparently the US saw >1,000,000 cases reported today. So France leading the way in Europe with 272k, UK in second place and Italy coming up on the rails with 170k. If you fancy an each way flutter then Greece (population circa 10m) could be a good bet with 50k cases.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 5, 2022 2:11:42 GMT
Hasn't curtailed his enthusiasm for promoting excessively worrying figures, although he may be called to account soon... Daily Telegraph, 2nd Jan:- "The latest daily data shows 73 Covid deaths in England and Wales.
Bob Seely, a Tory MP, has applied for an emergency debate in Parliament when it returns this week on the use of Covid modelling after a study by Prof Neil Ferguson suggested deaths could reach 4,000 per day this month.
"It doesn't look as if it is getting anywhere near that," Mr Seely said. "There have got to be some significant question marks about why the modelling is so wrong, and why effectively the predictions are not working."
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 5, 2022 8:48:12 GMT
Hasn't curtailed his enthusiasm for promoting excessively worrying figures, although he may be called to account soon... Daily Telegraph, 2nd Jan:- "The latest daily data shows 73 Covid deaths in England and Wales.
Bob Seely, a Tory MP, has applied for an emergency debate in Parliament when it returns this week on the use of Covid modelling after a study by Prof Neil Ferguson suggested deaths could reach 4,000 per day this month.
"It doesn't look as if it is getting anywhere near that," Mr Seely said. "There have got to be some significant question marks about why the modelling is so wrong, and why effectively the predictions are not working."
Seely's either an idiot or deliberately misunderstanding for the sake of making a political (non) point. Modelling is an uncertain science. "Could" is not the same as "would". Ferguson's also said (in a Today interview on 19/12) that hospitals are "at risk of being overwhelmed". This does not mean that they will be - merely that there was (at that time) a (significant) risk. I don't think that risk has yet gone away completely. London may be past the worst but we don't know what will happen when the wave peaks in other less well-resourced parts of the country. An NHS leader in the north west sounded pretty nervous on the news yesterday. The job of decision makers is to plan in the face of uncertainty. Different people will have different views on what balance to strike. This paper, co-authored by Ferguson, addresses the communication of uncertainty and may be of interest. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1755436521000669?via%3DihubRegardless of how well uncertainty is communicated to decision-makers, it won't always be reflected in reports by journalists looking for a sound-bite!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 9:01:36 GMT
"Seely's either an idiot or deliberately misunderstanding for the sake of making a political (non) point."
But probably a good idiot, with a keen eye for Russian and Chinese interference in "everything", rose to sergeant in the Army which, for a boy from Harrow, must have been an interesting route.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 5, 2022 9:15:00 GMT
Seely's either an idiot or deliberately misunderstanding for the sake of making a political (non) point. I'll go with "both".
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