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Post by Mike on Jan 14, 2022 21:13:21 GMT
In the latest BBC Health Check podcast. A team is looking into the correlation between poor mouth hygiene and gum disease and covid lung damage which is mainly to the blood vessels rather than the airways, they think the virus might be using the blood vessels from the mouth to the lungs. Also 2 ingredients of normal mouthwash that kills the virus in the lab.
"What do the lung scans of Covid-19 patients tell us about how the virus gets around the body, and should we be washing our mouths as well as our hands? Dr Graham Lloyd-Jones, a radiologist from the UK, shares his theory"
My dentist suggested a mouthwash, they didn't exactly say it would stop covid, but implied it might help, when I looked it up I wasn't sure it wouldn't cause other problems and to me it also tasted foul. And what were you meant to do wash your mouth out a dozen times a day, as often as you washed your hands? Fantastic news! I always knew I was onto something, but never expected my trick would also stop covid. I better celebrate by making sure my mouth & teeth are extra clean tonight! A man after my own heart - my theory is that a glass of wine after dinner removes the need to brush teeth, if you want to be on the safe side a whiskey should be even more effective
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Post by michaelc on Jan 15, 2022 11:40:54 GMT
Again the BBC run a similar story.
" There is now high confidence that Omicron is relatively mild for most adults, says the UK Health Security Agency in its latest risk assessment.
This is largely thanks to vaccines providing high protection against serious illness caused by this latest Covid variant that is infecting many. "
And again I question why the vaccines are providing more serious illness protection against omicron than they were against delta. I didn't understand the answers I got last time.
I also question why there is almost zero emphasis on the fact that omicron is intrinsically less dangerous to an individual human than delta.
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Post by keitha on Jan 15, 2022 12:18:24 GMT
upset to say the least, one of my oldest and most trusted friends has died, he had cancer and the operation he needed to save his life was cancelled twice as the ventilator he needed to support him after the operation wasn't available (he needed partial lung removal ). On both occasions he was ready for the operation but then a covid patient needed it. His partner was told that on both occasions 3/4 of the ventilators were in use by unvaccinated people.  ( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable. |
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Post by registerme on Jan 15, 2022 12:20:28 GMT
upset to say the least, one of my oldest and most trusted friends has died, he had cancer and the operation he needed to save his life was cancelled twice as the ventilator he needed to support him after the operation wasn't available (he needed partial lung removal ). On both occasions he was ready for the operation but then a covid patient needed it. His partner was told that on both occasions 3/4 of the ventilators were in use by unvaccinated people.  ( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable. That's horrible news  . I'm sorry for your loss.
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Post by keitha on Jan 15, 2022 12:26:51 GMT
upset to say the least, one of my oldest and most trusted friends has died, he had cancer and the operation he needed to save his life was cancelled twice as the ventilator he needed to support him after the operation wasn't available (he needed partial lung removal ). On both occasions he was ready for the operation but then a covid patient needed it. His partner was told that on both occasions 3/4 of the ventilators were in use by unvaccinated people. ( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable. That's horrible news  . I'm sorry for your loss. I appreciate that especially from you as I know you have suffered yourself recently
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Post by registerme on Jan 15, 2022 12:30:24 GMT
That's horrible news . I'm sorry for your loss. I appreciate that especially from you as I know you have suffered yourself recently Loss was in my mind when I read your post. I just heard five minutes ago that a friend of mine committed suicide a few days before Christmas. She'd struggled with her mental health and alcoholism for years. I guess she finally had enough. Poor girl  .
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Post by keitha on Jan 15, 2022 13:34:54 GMT
I'm so sorry about that |
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Post by adrianc on Jan 15, 2022 14:34:25 GMT
upset to say the least, one of my oldest and most trusted friends has died, he had cancer and the operation he needed to save his life was cancelled twice as the ventilator he needed to support him after the operation wasn't available (he needed partial lung removal ). On both occasions he was ready for the operation but then a covid patient needed it. His partner was told that on both occasions 3/4 of the ventilators were in use by unvaccinated people. ( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable. Unfortunately, far from alone. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/13/my-bile-rises-as-im-asked-to-move-my-dying-cancer-patient-out-of-icu-to-make-room-for-an-unvaccinated-man-with-covid
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Post by michaelc on Jan 15, 2022 15:26:08 GMT
upset to say the least, one of my oldest and most trusted friends has died, he had cancer and the operation he needed to save his life was cancelled twice as the ventilator he needed to support him after the operation wasn't available (he needed partial lung removal ). On both occasions he was ready for the operation but then a covid patient needed it. His partner was told that on both occasions 3/4 of the ventilators were in use by unvaccinated people. ( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable. Unfortunately, far from alone. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/13/my-bile-rises-as-im-asked-to-move-my-dying-cancer-patient-out-of-icu-to-make-room-for-an-unvaccinated-man-with-covidGood article actually. As the NHS is clearly not fit for purpose they probably should publish priority guidelines. The idea that your loved one's fate is determined by a quick chat in the corridor is pretty horrific but no doubt common as how else to they determine it? Long term more doctors, more nurses and more facilities need training and investment (hospitals, clinics, med schools etc). Billions spewed on tracing and frittering away antigen tests partly on dubious contracts could have been spent more wisely for a start.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 15, 2022 21:13:23 GMT
Good article actually. As the NHS is clearly not fit for purpose they probably should publish priority guidelines. The idea that your loved one's fate is determined by a quick chat in the corridor is pretty horrific but no doubt common as how else to they determine it? Long term more doctors, more nurses and more facilities need training and investment (hospitals, clinics, med schools etc). Billions spewed on tracing and frittering away antigen tests partly on dubious contracts could have been spent more wisely for a start. You can never have a 'free' health service that can cover every possible scenario. At present the Covid surge is more than the NHS could have been prepared for without pretty much limitless funds. How many free beds should be guaranteed just in case of a big surge in cases of some new or existing disease? The people on the ground need to make clinical decision s, not bureaucrats giving priority guidelines that are going to be rubbish, in the real world where very difficult decisions have to be made you have to rely on Doctors to make them.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 15, 2022 21:36:08 GMT
Good article actually. As the NHS is clearly not fit for purpose they probably should publish priority guidelines. The idea that your loved one's fate is determined by a quick chat in the corridor is pretty horrific but no doubt common as how else to they determine it? Long term more doctors, more nurses and more facilities need training and investment (hospitals, clinics, med schools etc). Billions spewed on tracing and frittering away antigen tests partly on dubious contracts could have been spent more wisely for a start. You can never have a 'free' health service that can cover every possible scenario. At present the Covid surge is more than the NHS could have been prepared for without pretty much limitless funds. How many free beds should be guaranteed just in case of a big surge in cases of some new or existing disease? The people on the ground need to make clinical decision s, not bureaucrats giving priority guidelines that are going to be rubbish, in the real world where very difficult decisions have to be made you have to rely on Doctors to make them. Generally I'd agree with that but top level life or death decisions are moral decisions that should be applied in all cases. e.g. everything else being equal a non-smoker should be given higher priority than a smoker. Ditto vaccination status. But it should be clear ahead of time and not decided on a cases by case basis. Of course there are nuances and when there really are no resources left, would have to be decided by the docs on the ground. Most importantly though these scenarios should be very rare. Even in this pandemic the government has known about the possibility of high numbers of hospitalisations for two years ! They even prepared the nightingale hospitals which was the right thing to do. But now, two years on you think its ok to chuck a cancer patient out of ICU in favour of a Covid one because we can't afford to help both of them?
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Post by adrianc on Jan 15, 2022 23:28:03 GMT
You can never have a 'free' health service that can cover every possible scenario. Of course you can't, especially as medical science moves to the point you can pretty much keep a pound of mince "alive" indefinitely. But right now, the NHS is barely covering the basics any more... It is being run ragged. As a country, we need to decide what our priority is. Keeping a tight reign on spending, or providing the safety net and healthcare we've been accustomed to for nearly 3/4 of a century. Siphoning funds to mates is not the answer, whichever we choose.
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Post by benaj on Jan 16, 2022 10:12:29 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jan 16, 2022 10:25:41 GMT
20, out of 8m population. Equivalent to 170 in the UK. Our daily record is nearly 1,300... They've had a total of 2,673 deaths - scale to population, and that's 23k. Instead of 175k...
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 16, 2022 11:08:02 GMT
20, out of 8m population. Equivalent to 170 in the UK. Our daily record is nearly 1,300... They've had a total of 2,673 deaths - scale to population, and that's 23k. Instead of 175k... Cases in Australia are now up there with France (over 4,000/million/day) and the death rate is rising fast and already higher than it's been so far although still comparatively low.
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( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable.
( and I type this with tears running down my face ) don't be selfish, a good man has probably died ( probably ) unnecessarily because his cancer became inoperable.
. I'm sorry for your loss.
. I'm sorry for your loss.
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