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Post by benaj on Mar 17, 2020 22:27:34 GMT
Sir Patrick Vallance is probably right about the possible 55000 cases in the UK now, if we compare death:confirmed cases ratio in countries like Hong Kong in Australia. God knows how many cases without knowing in Italy & China.
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Post by gravitykillz on Mar 17, 2020 22:39:56 GMT
The world is engulfed with covid-19. Amazing how quickly this has spread. Does anyone believe the conspiracy theories? That this was a chinese bio weapon that got released by accident?
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Post by registerme on Mar 17, 2020 22:59:14 GMT
The world is engulfed with covid-19. Amazing how quickly this has spread. Does anyone believe the conspiracy theories? That this was a chinese bio weapon that got released by accident? Just... stop... please.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Mar 17, 2020 23:00:43 GMT
One of my family members is just being tested for the virus tonight, although I don't wish to go into details for his family privacy. Stay safe everyone.
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Post by registerme on Mar 17, 2020 23:00:49 GMT
it is really hard to get a message across when we are now so used to polarisation and extremes and to inferring the worst of motives in our political opponents. It's even harder with a population that, shall we say, could be better educated. And also one that hadn't been lent on, hard, to "distrust expertise" for the last ten or twenty years .
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Post by registerme on Mar 17, 2020 23:06:52 GMT
One of my family members is just being tested for the virus tonight, although I don't wish to go into details for his family privacy. Stay safe everyone. Fingers crossed for you and yours, but to be honest the majority of us will have it before things calm down. The truly sad thing is that those we should stay away from are those who most likely cherish need our company. This upsets me .
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Post by martin44 on Mar 17, 2020 23:22:55 GMT
I found it quite disturbing today to hear medical specialist's talking about selective treatment (should we get to said point) i'm one of those that would certainly be "down" the list to get selected due to my age.. being asthmatic and not young i'm probably now being considered dispensable.
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 17, 2020 23:23:08 GMT
100%. Which is why you need population buy in, which is better than just punitive enforcement, why you don't impose too radical controls too early when in any case they are less effective, and why you do care about social and economic consequences of your actions as well as direct (and indirect) health effects. <reminder I'm in Spain> after 3 tiny days of not being allowed to even go for a frigging walk, I can assure you that you're both right about the risks of societal breakdown and the need for buy in. I am open-minded as to which approach is the least worst in terms of health/mortality but I can see myself being somewhat depressed in the near future with this one* This is me talking from a tiny quiet island, trying to imagine the same in Madrid living in a shoebox apartment with temps going up to 40....hmmm.. *ok, the G & T's probably aren't helping, but still..Oh but they are. Just try 12 weeks quarantine without them
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Post by martin44 on Mar 17, 2020 23:27:57 GMT
The world is engulfed with covid-19. Amazing how quickly this has spread. Does anyone believe the conspiracy theories? That this was a chinese bio weapon that got released by accident? The Donald would be very upset.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 17, 2020 23:47:57 GMT
There will be a growing cohort who have had and recovered from the virus will they be allowed to re-start normal society will they be given a certificate or a mark to show they're ok to be out and about? OR can they infect others? General consensus seems to be the same as any other virus, you catch it once and your immune (conflicting news from china and japan may assume otherwise) BUT... If it is assumed that once is enough... then why not invite anyone who has been infected and recovered to offer there free time to the nhs on a voluntary basis, an nhs with loads with loads of voluntary staff who cannot (*catch or) pass on the virus would be a god send.. or?
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Post by Ace on Mar 17, 2020 23:58:28 GMT
There will be a growing cohort who have had and recovered from the virus will they be allowed to re-start normal society will they be given a certificate or a mark to show they're ok to be out and about? OR can they infect others? General consensus seems to be the same as any other virus, you catch it once and your immune (conflicting news from china and japan may assume otherwise) BUT... If it is assumed that once is enough... then why not invite anyone who has been infected and recovered to offer there free time to the nhs on a voluntary basis, an nhs with loads with loads of voluntary staff who cannot (*catch or) pass on the virus would be a god send.. or? Although they most likely can't catch it again, they can obviously pass it on by carrying bugs around on the outside of their body. Picking up bugs from door handles and depositing them elsewhere etc.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 18, 2020 0:04:23 GMT
General consensus seems to be the same as any other virus, you catch it once and your immune (conflicting news from china and japan may assume otherwise) BUT... If it is assumed that once is enough... then why not invite anyone who has been infected and recovered to offer there free time to the nhs on a voluntary basis, an nhs with loads with loads of voluntary staff who cannot (*catch or) pass on the virus would be a god send.. or? Although they most likely can't catch it again, they can obviously pass it on by carrying bugs around on the outside of their body. Picking up bugs from door handles and depositing them elsewhere etc. Yes totally agree, but assuming the hygiene standards on the wards are adhered to, then it should be hugely beneficial, and an understaffing lifeline for the nhs
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Post by registerme on Mar 18, 2020 0:06:36 GMT
I found it quite disturbing today to hear medical specialist's talking about selective treatment (should we get to said point) i'm one of those that would certainly be "down" the list to get selected due to my age.. being asthmatic and not young i'm probably now being considered dispensable. I can understand why it's upsetting to take it on board, especially when it's personal to you and / or your family, but, hard as it may be, the notion of "triage" is as old as the notion of medicine. I know of no people who care more than my friends who are doctors. I also know that they have, and will, make hard decisions about who's life to try to save, whether to try save them, and when to try to save them. The trauma that our medics, of all stripes, are going to go through, is going to be brutal . The old lady that I have regularly shopped for for the last few years? Her son is married to a palliative care consultant. Not only is she going to be at extreme risk, she's going to see far too many patients die in her care. That does not come without cost. If ever there was a time to appreciate the nurses, porters, doctors, care workers, physios etc etc etc, that time is now.
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Post by martin44 on Mar 18, 2020 0:19:15 GMT
I found it quite disturbing today to hear medical specialist's talking about selective treatment (should we get to said point) i'm one of those that would certainly be "down" the list to get selected due to my age.. being asthmatic and not young i'm probably now being considered dispensable. I can understand why it's upsetting to take it on board, especially when it's personal to you and / or your family, but, hard as it may be, the notion of "triage" is as old as the notion of medicine. I know of no people who care more than my friends who are doctors. I also know that they have, and will, make hard decisions about who's life to try to save, whether to try save them, and when to try to save them. The trauma that our medics, of all stripes, are going to go through, is going to be brutal . The old lady that I have regularly shopped for for the last few years? Her son is married to a palliative care consultant. Not only is she going to be at extreme risk, she's going to see far too many patients die in her care. That does not come without cost. If ever there was a time to appreciate the nurses, porters, doctors, care workers, physios etc etc etc, that time is now. My wife spent her whole career as a carer, with her later years spent in palliative care, caring for a guy called Michael with motor neurone disease for 2 years, she was devastated when he passed away.... i couldn't agree more with your sentiment.
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Post by Godanubis on Mar 18, 2020 0:50:30 GMT
10000 people die every year on the toilet. Does that mean we steer clear of the loo. 300000000 are infected with malaria and 1000000 die every year yet we holiday in malaria areas without a second thought.
Looking at things in in perspective 5 people a day die on the roads in 🇬🇧 . We still travel without fear.
Do your best to avoid it but don’t let it rule your life it will be here for years to come and like flu only a proportion of the population will be offered any vaccine when it comes..
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