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Post by savingstream on Jan 26, 2014 13:42:11 GMT
They're down to £2.2k available now. It's looking like SS are headed into the same supply/demand imbalance as FS. If the maturing loan pays off before more loans are made then it will be impossible for lenders to reinvest their maturity proceeds, and that won't produce happy lenders. Interesting, minus £100 left to fund, how does that work? This appears to be an identified bug, which we are working to resolve. Over funding of loans is usually prevented by client side validation, however if investor B comes in and funds the remaining balance whilst investor A still has his page open then this overfunding scenario occurred. We have apologised to the investor it effected and are working on server side validation of the loan funding to prevent this from occurring in future.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 26, 2014 14:23:30 GMT
On a marketing aside we have added tiered bands to our interest rates charged, depending on loan size and also lowered our rates for February in order to hopefully generate more business. Best of luck with the promotion. Let's all hope it produces some more borrowers. On a related point... I was looking at the Lendy Marine website, and in particular the form a potential borrower completes to find out how much they could borrow. For a boat with no outstanding financing, the loan available is half the boat's valuation. That's 50% LTV, and it's what I would expect based on what we've been told here so far. If the boat does have an outstanding debt, however, the web page suggests the loan available is half the owner's equity. So a boat valued at £70k with remaining financing of £30k shows a loan available of £20k. Is that correct? Allowing a further £20k loan would bring the total debt up to £50k, and that's a LTV of 71%. Presuming Lendy would end up with a subordinate/second charge on the boat, the security position of the Lendy loan is a lot poorer than the apparent LTV might suggest. In order not to exceed the desired 50% LTV, the total lending on a £70k boat should be limited to £35k, which ought to mean the borrower in this example should be offered a Lendy loan of no more than £5k. Would Lendy actually be willing to lend a further £20k on a boat valued at £70k that had £30k of existing financing? If not, then the web page loan size estimator needs to be revised. Finally, since I've not seen any mention of other loans in the description of any of the SS loans made so far I've assumed there weren't any, and that the Lendy loan was the only debt secured by the boat value. Is that a reasonable assumption for me to have made? Can SS please confirm that none of these boats have any loans outstanding other than the Lendy loans? Presuming that is the case, can we have SS's assurance that if a boat does have a prior loan secured on it this will be made clear to potential SS lenders? Thank you.
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Post by savingstream on Jan 26, 2014 15:39:31 GMT
Hi mikes1531, that is correct none of the boats that Lendy has lent against have any other form of finance against them. The only cases we would consider would be when the 50% we would loan against a boat could be used to clear any and all finance remaining on that boat. In your example of a £70k boat we would lend up to £35k against it providing that £30k of the loan was used to settle all outstanding finance. We would make that payment to the finance company to ensure that it was settled. We also require borrowers to sign a 'Declaration of no liens' against the boat as part of the borrowing documentation. We also check interest in the boat with the major marine finance providers.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 26, 2014 17:20:06 GMT
... that is correct none of the boats that Lendy has lent against have any other form of finance against them. The only cases we would consider would be when the 50% we would loan against a boat could be used to clear any and all finance remaining on that boat. In your example of a £70k boat we would lend up to £35k against it providing that £30k of the loan was used to settle all outstanding finance. We would make that payment to the finance company to ensure that it was settled. We also require borrowers to sign a 'Declaration of no liens' against the boat as part of the borrowing documentation. We also check interest in the boat with the major marine finance providers. Thanks for the reassurance. It sounds like you're doing the right thing, so the only problem is the website page that indicates the owner of a £70k boat with remaining financing of £30k could borrow £20k from Lendy. That's something for the website developers to deal with.
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Post by swissmate76 on Jan 28, 2014 1:16:52 GMT
re wargaming: -fraudsters (someone impersonating to be the owner of the boat when they are not, or that there is no credit atttached to it when their is) -alternative sourcing of deals if borro wants to lend no more references - a backup plan if director A or B get run over by a bus or office
also as an investor i would like to know beside mr bigs who should get out of picture once superyache loan is wound down, that there are no other potential creditors (HMRC for example) having a better claim then me to a boat i would have a claim on
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Post by savingstream on Jan 28, 2014 11:10:39 GMT
re wargaming: -fraudsters (someone impersonating to be the owner of the boat when they are not, or that there is no credit atttached to it when their is) -alternative sourcing of deals if borro wants to lend no more references - a backup plan if director A or B get run over by a bus or office also as an investor i would like to know beside mr bigs who should get out of picture once superyache loan is wound down, that there are no other potential creditors (HMRC for example) having a better claim then me to a boat i would have a claim on Fraudulent borrowers: we request copies of owners certificates, bills of sale, registry transcripts, boat keys, ID and proof of address from borrower. We also liase closely with the marina or boatyard regarding the boat who are usually aware who the owner is also. Existing finance: We check marine registries for recorded marine mortgages, we also require borrowers to sign a 'Declaration of no liens' against the boat as part of the borrowing documentation. We also check interest in the boat with the major marine finance providers. Source of deal: We do not rely on Borro for our only source of deals, they have provided c.5% of written business to date. Backup plan: If one director gets run over by a bus (or an office!) the other director would still be able to run the business. We are currently putting in place a Trust to cover the eventuality of the demise of both directors to insure all investments are returned correctly. HMRC is a 'potential' creditor of any business. however I can confirm that at present HMRC is not a creditor of Lendy Ltd.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 3, 2014 21:24:12 GMT
A new loan became available today for investing/lending. Unfortunately, IMHO, it was released before the valuation report was posted. This is unfortunate because it was taken up so quickly that any interested investor/lender had to commit before being able to view the valuation report. The report should be posted tomorrow but that's really too late to help, since if an investor doesn't like what they read in the report they're still stuck with the loan for the duration because there's no secondary market in loan parts.
Having taken the very positive step to make the valuation reports available, Lendy/SS really need to allow potential lenders an opportunity to view them before deciding whether to invest or not.
My suggestion would be that the loan detail page should be made available only when the valuation report is available, and that investment in that loan should not be possible until some time after that -- maybe 24 hours later. This shouldn't restrict SS/Lendy, because the the way they operate is to make the loans first using their own funds and then offer them to lenders after that. All this suggestion would do is delay the receipt of lenders' funds for maybe a couple of days. The advantage for lenders would be that they could review the valuation report before having to decide whether invest rather than having to invest blindly. That would build investor confidence in SS, so it ought to be worth doing.
What do others think?
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Post by ramblin rose on Feb 3, 2014 22:17:36 GMT
All perfectly reasonable, Mike, and it certainly would increase lender confidence. I question, however, whether investor confidence needs increasing - you saw how fast today's loan was covered. There seems to be no shortage of lenders with adequate confidence as far as I can see.
I'd be happy enough to see it working as you suggest, but I'm equally happy as things are, because (as with FS) I have to trust that the valuations are as stated anyway and regardless of how closely I scrutinise the documents I'm not, in truth, any the wiser really afterwards. In any case, our funds are only loosely, and indeed artificially, linked with the boats/cars themselves - we are making loans to Lendy who have undertaken to pay us a fixed return. The valuations of items are just there to reassure us that they will have money coming in from which to pay us, so if we don't like the look of anything in particular then it's almost irrelevant. What is more relevant is the likely term of the loan, because that does relate to the likely timing of the return of our funds, and that IS made available at the same time as the loan.
We don't get that sort of valuation from FS at all, and given that we are making loans directly on those items and stand to lose if they don't realise something close to the estimated value in the case of default, surely we should be a good deal more worried about that shouldn't we?
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Post by pepperpot on Feb 3, 2014 23:45:54 GMT
Kinda have to agree with RR on this, and rely on the valuation from someone who knows more about those floaty things than I do. It would offer more comfort if the intention mentioned ' here' was made a little more formally on the SS site somewhere. Also with the question posed, I took a look at some of the valuers websites. The valuer for the recent 1985 Bourne loan, on the face of it, seems like a very upstanding and trustworthy individual. However, the site of the 1990 tyne lifeboat valuer, produced a big red flag next to the words - 'Reported Web Forgery' from my security (Bullguard), can someone else navigate there (address at the top of the report) and see if it's just my security having a mild attack of paranoia.
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Post by Jim on Feb 4, 2014 0:41:52 GMT
The site is also blocked by Chrome with message: "Reported Phishing Website Ahead!"
I've examined the site using Internet Explorer and can find no reason why it should be blocked.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 4, 2014 5:07:53 GMT
I use Firefox and Norton Internet Security, and don't see any indications of a problem with the website.
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Post by alison on Feb 4, 2014 9:31:20 GMT
The site is also blocked by Chrome with message: "Reported Phishing Website Ahead!" I've examined the site using Internet Explorer and can find no reason why it should be blocked. I get the same message but the site looks ok when you get there. He also seems to be listed on a range of surveyor lists so I suspect Chrome may have got it wrong.
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Post by JamesFrance on Feb 4, 2014 9:52:09 GMT
I cannot view the details as SS does not accept non residents, but maybe someone else would like to check that website with this: app.webinspector.com/
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Post by alison on Feb 4, 2014 10:16:45 GMT
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Post by JamesFrance on Feb 4, 2014 10:37:58 GMT
Strange as I get a different report from the version built into my Ice Dragon browser. The link I posted was from an old bookmark so may be an obsolete version of the app which belongs to Comodo, who I test security programs for and interact with the developers around the world. app.webinspector.com/public/reports/19904774This one points to someone reporting possible phishing to Google, which may well be a false suspicion. Anyway there will be no need to enter any personal details on the site so not a problem.
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