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Post by elljay on Dec 29, 2013 8:36:29 GMT
I understand using real names on this forum is against forum rules [mod hat on] Just to clarify, I think the rule you're referring to is this one: - Please obscure the identity of borrowers - e.g. by asterisking out part of the name, or by using a loan reference number.
...which is intended to prevent borrowers from being identified on an open forum, e.g. by copying and pasting info only available to lenders when logged into a P2x site.
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Post by bugs4me on Dec 29, 2013 9:11:27 GMT
I'm afraid I don't follow how a web designer using a temporary testimonial whilst building a new classic car lead generation website for Lendy Ltd, equates to pulling the wool over Saving Stream investor's eyes. Evidence of Saving Stream's investor's testimonials will be shown to mrclondon on Monday along with all the evidence he has requested. In response to 'bugs4me' comment above, I understand using real names on this forum is against forum rules and would serve little actual purpose. Our continued advice to anyone who feels that Saving Stream is offensive to people's intelligence would be to request that that person simply looks for investment opportunities elsewhere. Well I do follow and again the testimonial was removed after its inclusion in the web page was pointed out on this forum. Plus it is desirable to review the proposed website locally before uploading to a remote server and making it 'real time'. Totally unnecessary. The rule you refer to is for the anonymity of borrowers - not those 'Representative of Saving Stream'. It would be nice to put a name to whoever that 'Representative of Saving Stream' is. I have very little knowledge of boats and even less so with classic cars so transparency with those seeking funds in the P2P or P2B market is paramount. As I've mentioned before just maybe the two of you have a good idea but you keep shooting yourselves in the foot which results in a lowering of confidence in my book. Thank you for your advice although as you've probably already gathered I will not be an investor.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 29, 2013 21:55:05 GMT
I'm afraid I don't follow how a web designer using a temporary testimonial whilst building a new classic car lead generation website for Lendy Ltd, equates to pulling the wool over Saving Stream investor's eyes. OK, so using a "temporary" testimonial isn't directly misleading SS investors. But surely you can't seriously suggest that using such a non-existent testimonial wouldn't mislead a LendyClassic customer into thinking that LendyClassic had already made some loans! The fact is that SS are part of the Lendy 'group', all managed by the same people. In order to be successful in business -- and especially in finance -- an organisation has to be perceived to be honest. If one company in a group is doing something felt to be misleading, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that the other parts of the group have a similar attitude, and that could destroy confidence in the whole organisation.
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Post by bugs4me on Dec 29, 2013 22:21:27 GMT
I'm afraid I don't follow how a web designer using a temporary testimonial whilst building a new classic car lead generation website for Lendy Ltd, equates to pulling the wool over Saving Stream investor's eyes. OK, so using a "temporary" testimonial isn't directly misleading SS investors. But surely you can't seriously suggest that using such a non-existent testimonial wouldn't mislead a LendyClassic customer into thinking that LendyClassic had already made some loans! The fact is that SS are part of the Lendy 'group', all managed by the same people. In order to be successful in business -- and especially in finance -- an organisation has to be perceived to be honest. If one company in a group is doing something felt to be misleading, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that the other parts of the group have a similar attitude, and that could destroy confidence in the whole organisation. And there lies the problem. These two guys are simply not accepting responsibility for anything. So if there was a problem (heaven forbid) with lenders/investors money it would simply be the fault of someone else. I manage enough web sites and to ensure accuracy they are all signed off after being triple checked by whoever within the organisation is responsible. Only then are they allowed to go live. So the buck stops at the top of the company the web sites represent. Funnily enough I still believe that the concept could be sound. But confidence in the management leaves a lot to be desired especially as they are putting themselves forward as experts in just about everything but take no responsibility for anything. I know little about boats (apart from the fact that hopefully they float, probably know about the same with classic cars (although valuations can vary wildly) but aviation, which is being proposed is a totally different animal entirely and I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole irrespective as to what the experts claimed. And for the record, I did view the G****a Gold One website before that was mysteriously pulled although only one of the Lendy directors claiming to be responsible for day to day operations at G****a Gold One was involved. You'll be pleased to know SS aka Lendy that I do not propose wasting any more of my time posting in this thread. You are what you are IMO.
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Post by batchoy on Dec 29, 2013 22:22:11 GMT
I'm afraid I don't follow how a web designer using a temporary testimonial whilst building a new classic car lead generation website for Lendy Ltd, equates to pulling the wool over Saving Stream investor's eyes. You still obviously don't get it do you. Have you not read this thread? Temporary? The testimonial was published on the Lendyclassic site just as the false James Marshall claim was on the Savingstream site. Whichever way we take it you come across as in incompetent organisation: either through deliberate attempts to mislead borrowers and lenders through false testimonials or if we are to believe your posts through your failure to review what your website designers producing before they publish it.
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Post by Duane Dibley on Jan 11, 2014 11:30:11 GMT
For info there's a new loan available today:
2001 Four Winns 268 Vista. Loan amount £4,167. LTV 15%. Valuation available.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 15, 2014 3:27:07 GMT
We have now added a 'Pipeline Loans' section to the 'Loans' page in order to demonstrate loans that should be made available to invest in over the next few days and weeks. This is a welcome addition to the SS website, and I appreciate having it. I do have a question, though... The two potential loans in this section currently show that they are at the "Awaiting valuation fee" stage. I could understand it if it said "Awaiting valuation", but I don't understand what "Awaiting valuation fee" means. Can you please explain? Also, if loan applications go through a consistent series of stages, it might be helpful if they could be listed here so that we could see where any particular application is in the context of the overall process.
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Post by savingstream on Jan 15, 2014 10:34:03 GMT
We have now added a 'Pipeline Loans' section to the 'Loans' page in order to demonstrate loans that should be made available to invest in over the next few days and weeks. This is a welcome addition to the SS website, and I appreciate having it. I do have a question, though... The two potential loans in this section currently show that they are at the "Awaiting valuation fee" stage. I could understand it if it said "Awaiting valuation", but I don't understand what "Awaiting valuation fee" means. Can you please explain? Also, if loan applications go through a consistent series of stages, it might be helpful if they could be listed here so that we could see where any particular application is in the context of the overall process. Hi Mike, thanks for your question. Lendy Ltd requests that borrowers pay the valuation fee up front. This prevents Lendy Ltd being out of pocket for the valuation fee should the loan not complete. As requested the loan application stages are as follows: 1) Customer accepted 'Offer in principle' (and is listed on SS Pipeline) 2) Awaiting valuation fee (this can take time if the customer is not in a hurry for the loan) 3) Awaiting valuation survey (once a surveyor has produced his report, loan documents are sent to the customer) 4) Awaiting signed documentation (once this is received and the vessel is secured, the loan can go live)
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 15, 2014 13:56:56 GMT
Lendy Ltd requests that borrowers pay the valuation fee up front. This prevents Lendy Ltd being out of pocket for the valuation fee should the loan not complete. Obviously good business sense. Just one clarification - is this valuation fee part of the 4% set up fee or in addition to ? If in addition to, it will presumably affect the APR calc.
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Post by savingstream on Jan 15, 2014 18:03:51 GMT
Lendy Ltd requests that borrowers pay the valuation fee up front. This prevents Lendy Ltd being out of pocket for the valuation fee should the loan not complete. Obviously good business sense. Just one clarification - is this valuation fee part of the 4% set up fee or in addition to ? If in addition to, it will presumably affect the APR calc. The valuation fee is part of the 4% fee so shouldn't affect the APR.
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Post by pepperpot on Jan 25, 2014 12:08:19 GMT
I suppose no news is good news applies here, let's hope it stays that way when the next loan ends in c12days, and also one in the pipeline goes live to roll over into.
Over £100k gone in a month or so and down to c£3.5k left to fund, quite heavy for toe dippers, I guess it depends on your shoe size. But if it continues in this vein I can see a feeding frenzy emerging if the number of deals isn't forthcoming.
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Post by jevans4949 on Jan 25, 2014 17:26:04 GMT
The valuation fee is part of the 4% fee so shouldn't affect the APR. I thought that under EU law all fees charged to the borrower counted towards the APR. But maybe this doesn't apply if the fee is payable whether the loan is made or not? If the loan is not made, then the APR must be infinity - I guess, though I haven't check the formula. One would have to make a reasonable assumption about the time delay between the fee being paid and the drawdown.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 25, 2014 23:23:33 GMT
Over £100k gone in a month or so and down to c£3.5k left to fund, quite heavy for toe dippers, I guess it depends on your shoe size. But if it continues in this vein I can see a feeding frenzy emerging if the number of deals isn't forthcoming. They're down to £2.2k available now. It's looking like SS are headed into the same supply/demand imbalance as FS. If the maturing loan pays off before more loans are made then it will be impossible for lenders to reinvest their maturity proceeds, and that won't produce happy lenders.
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Post by savingstream on Jan 26, 2014 9:39:47 GMT
The valuation fee is part of the 4% fee so shouldn't affect the APR. I thought that under EU law all fees charged to the borrower counted towards the APR. But maybe this doesn't apply if the fee is payable whether the loan is made or not? If the loan is not made, then the APR must be infinity - I guess, though I haven't check the formula. One would have to make a reasonable assumption about the time delay between the fee being paid and the drawdown. The APR calculation takes into account the fee. Because the valuation fee is included in the overall fee, it doesn't change the value of the fee and hence the APR stays the same. On a marketing aside we have added tiered bands to our interest rates charged, depending on loan size and also lowered our rates for February in order to hopefully generate more business.
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Post by pepperpot on Jan 26, 2014 13:12:28 GMT
Over £100k gone in a month or so and down to c£3.5k left to fund, quite heavy for toe dippers, I guess it depends on your shoe size. But if it continues in this vein I can see a feeding frenzy emerging if the number of deals isn't forthcoming. They're down to £2.2k available now. It's looking like SS are headed into the same supply/demand imbalance as FS. If the maturing loan pays off before more loans are made then it will be impossible for lenders to reinvest their maturity proceeds, and that won't produce happy lenders. Interesting, minus £100 left to fund, how does that work?
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