ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 14, 2020 21:52:45 GMT
Another question is how are automatic system withdrawal requests being handled as regards the MLIA buying on the SM?
ie if I have a buy request on a loan and swept funds from the MLIA in the QAA, when there is availability in the loan the system should automatically withdraw those funds from the QAA back to the MLIA to invest in the loan. Does the system request now enter in to the QAA withdrawal queue? What happens if the buy order is cancelled/reduced while the request is queued, does the request get cancelled & then re-requested or merely amended in its current position?
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Post by puddleduck on Mar 15, 2020 9:22:34 GMT
A few folks further up posted about a queue and thanking AC for quick implementation, but as far as I can see nothing had changed.
A 90AA withdrawal was due today and I can't see any sign of this discussed new implementation a few of you are seeing? Would it be possible to screenshot it?
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 15, 2020 9:59:39 GMT
A few folks further up posted about a queue and thanking AC for quick implementation, but as far as I can see nothing had changed. A 90AA withdrawal was due today and I can't see any sign of this discussed new implementation a few of you are seeing? Would it be possible to screenshot it? Likewise, I have a 30d withdrawal that was meant to happen at 9am this morning. Shouldn't this now be moved to the 'second queue'? Or has it been and I just can't tell? (if it has been moved, there's no position in the queue visible in either the 30d/QAA) chris
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Post by TitoPuente on Mar 15, 2020 10:07:26 GMT
Another question is how are automatic system withdrawal requests being handled as regards the MLIA buying on the SM? ie if I have a buy request on a loan and swept funds from the MLIA in the QAA, when there is availability in the loan the system should automatically withdraw those funds from the QAA back to the MLIA to invest in the loan. Does the system request now enter in to the QAA withdrawal queue? What happens if the buy order is cancelled/reduced while the request is queued, does the request get cancelled & then re-requested or merely amended in its current position? All good questions. To enhance the integrity of the system, any funds needed to fund an MLA order should take precedence (jump the queue) over funds that are going to the Cash Account. This is to prioritise funding loans.
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Post by cb25 on Mar 15, 2020 10:10:16 GMT
Another question is how are automatic system withdrawal requests being handled as regards the MLIA buying on the SM? ie if I have a buy request on a loan and swept funds from the MLIA in the QAA, when there is availability in the loan the system should automatically withdraw those funds from the QAA back to the MLIA to invest in the loan. Does the system request now enter in to the QAA withdrawal queue? What happens if the buy order is cancelled/reduced while the request is queued, does the request get cancelled & then re-requested or merely amended in its current position? All good questions. To enhance the integrity of the system, any funds needed to fund an MLA order should take precedence (jump the queue) over funds that are going to the Cash Account. This is to prioritise funding loans. Though my ability to fund MLA loans has been massively impacted by my rolling 30DAA withdrawals being paused (3 overdue already), I disagree with your point. It's not for AC to say that funding loans is a bigger priority than the unknown reasons that lenders might need funds moved to Cash (e.g. to withdraw).
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Post by TitoPuente on Mar 15, 2020 10:16:28 GMT
All good questions. To enhance the integrity of the system, any funds needed to fund an MLA order should take precedence (jump the queue) over funds that are going to the Cash Account. This is to prioritise funding loans. Though my ability to fund MLA loans has been massively impacted by my rolling 30DAA withdrawals being paused (3 overdue already), I disagree with your point. It's not for AC to say that funding loans is a bigger priority than the unknown reasons that lenders might need funds moved to Cash (e.g. to withdraw). It *is* for AC to say how the system works and for lenders to accept or not (i.e. lend or go away) the rules (i.e. T&Cs). The issues we are having are two: (1) T&Cs are not sufficiently clear on how queuing works and (2) the queuing system was not implemented. The second issue is more of an issue.
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Post by sapphire on Mar 15, 2020 10:53:07 GMT
Do AC have valid justification for not implementing an appropriate queuing mechanism?
They have been around for a few years now and so have had sufficient time to do so.
Whilst one does not expect them to forecast this specific virus, a liquidity crunch scenario, for whatever reason, was surely something a large platform like AC should have been prepared for and so have had an appropriate queueing mechanism in place to cater for it.
I am finding it difficult to accept the 'wrong type of snow' excuse.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 15, 2020 11:19:26 GMT
The two objectives aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. It needs to be a balanced & nuanced solution to ensure all investors are treated fairly and platform continues to operate as close to the norm as possible.
Currently I have sweep turned off in order to allow my MLIA to operate as normal. This is unfair on me as it means I don't earn interest on uninvested funds (an AC selling point) and it is potentially unfair on people with funds stuck in the QAA/MLIA as if my funds were swept it could release funds they wish to withdraw. [Ok, at the moment I have open targets so it gets reinvested immediately but Im almost maxed out so free cash likely in a day or two)
So give queue priority to swept MLIA funds being used to buy loan parts. Market operates as normal, I get interest, money gets released to withdraw. Everyone happy? Maybe needs to be more nuanced still and only buying loan parts from QAA holdings gets priority.
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Post by dan1 on Mar 15, 2020 12:28:10 GMT
Do AC have valid justification for not implementing an appropriate queuing mechanism? They have been around for a few years now and so have had sufficient time to do so. Whilst one does not expect them to forecast this specific virus, a liquidity crunch scenario, for whatever reason, was surely something a large platform like AC should have been prepared for and so have had an appropriate queueing mechanism in place to cater for it. I am finding it difficult to accept the 'wrong type of snow' excuse. I couldn't agree more. And, if I were a shareholder I would be very disappointed (In Edit: putting it mildly!).
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Post by Harland Kearney on Mar 15, 2020 13:14:39 GMT
Hopefully we get some resoultion by Monday. Personally this whole thing has really made re-think my risk in P2P altogather. It's the lack of clear comms thats having me baffled, as well as half baked implementations which are causing more questions than answers for investors. Don't Invest if u don't like the control AC has over the platform, I'm seeing alot in threads on this site.
I'd becareful about saying that, because most standard investors, myself included are wanting to run to the hills as soon as their system is implemented. Not because we fear the loan book or under lying investments, but because we fear the unknown that we are being consistently represented with. I dont' have time to wait around and ponder what AC might do next, I want to make investments and work on my own business without head aches from non-existant features waiting to be implemented. Nobody knows if it even be fair game when this system is fully online, so it pays divinends to keep a eye on this site and AC to make sure you arent' late to the show.
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Post by cb25 on Mar 15, 2020 14:13:30 GMT
A few folks further up posted about a queue and thanking AC for quick implementation, but as far as I can see nothing had changed. A 90AA withdrawal was due today and I can't see any sign of this discussed new implementation a few of you are seeing? Would it be possible to screenshot it? Likewise, I have a 30d withdrawal that was meant to happen at 9am this morning. Shouldn't this now be moved to the 'second queue'? Or has it been and I just can't tell? (if it has been moved, there's no position in the queue visible in either the 30d/QAA) chris I've screenshot-ed my queued withdrawals in 30DAA/90DAA, just in case AC 'forget' they stated "All existing QAA, 30 Day Access Account and 90 Day Access Account withdrawal requests are still queued in the order they were requested, and their position will be honoured." here
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Post by gothteteeshirt on Mar 15, 2020 15:25:50 GMT
Lot of talk about an 'appropriate queuing system' AC should have had in place that was fair and why did they not implement a queuing system. Can anyone enlighten me to what other P2P companies use and AC should have followed eg Loanpad who as I see it have a similar setup with a Classic daily access and Premium 60 Day accounts. Also considering where we are now do these initial off the shelf/bespoke queuing systems still apply in their original format or do they need to adapt and if so to cater for what new circumstances?
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Post by Harland Kearney on Mar 15, 2020 15:48:06 GMT
Lot of talk about an 'appropriate queuing system' AC should have had in place that was fair and why did they not implement a queuing system. Can anyone enlighten me to what other P2P companies use and AC should have followed eg Loanpad who as I see it have a similar setup with a Classic daily access and Premium 60 Day accounts. Also considering where we are now do these initial off the shelf/bespoke queuing systems still apply in their original format or do they need to adapt and if so to cater for what new circumstances? Something that shows we are queued, Swept investors still have no idea if our cash is actually in the queue in front of direct investors, or behide them, or in it at all.
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Post by tonyr on Mar 15, 2020 16:46:11 GMT
Lot of talk about an 'appropriate queuing system' AC should have had in place that was fair and why did they not implement a queuing system. Can anyone enlighten me to what other P2P companies use and AC should have followed eg Loanpad who as I see it have a similar setup with a Classic daily access and Premium 60 Day accounts. Also considering where we are now do these initial off the shelf/bespoke queuing systems still apply in their original format or do they need to adapt and if so to cater for what new circumstances? Something that shows we are queued, Swept investors still have no idea if our cash is actually in the queue in front of direct investors, or behide them, or in it at all. I'm up for thinking this through, (sadly) it's the sort of thing I enjoy. The QAA has to have equal status to a MLA lender, anything else is biassed. There are two sorts of borrower repayment, interest and capital, I see no reason not to allocate prorata to all borrowers. There is also the possibility of QAA selling to manual, I don't see why that can't happen if anyone wants to pick them up. If parts were sold at a discount that gets more controversial. The queue has to be first in, first out. We've been promised a queue and that's the only reasonable choice. Note that the current trading algorithm isn't a queue, it's a pool that isn't what we were promised. It's up to AC what fraction of loan repayments go into the queue, they can't run free cash to exactly zero, that would take a lot of arguing that it is in everybody's interests. What's wrong with what I've outlined? It's so simple I had assumed that AC had already implemented it.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Mar 15, 2020 17:01:30 GMT
Maybe it already is, and they are waiting for the next working day, Monday.
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