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Post by inquiete on Jun 8, 2020 17:01:18 GMT
we should all assume that 90% of people in the Access queue won't be getting any money back until such time as the world outside returns to some kind of normal
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Post by james91 on Jun 8, 2020 17:22:06 GMT
It should at least be moving though? Let's say the access market is 1/3 of the loan book, then that's about 296m. There's an average 20 months remaining, suggesting 13m per month naturally being returned to the investor. Of that 13m, if half have it set to reinvest funds automatically, that will be about 1.5m RYIs processed a week. If average loan size if £10,000, then we should be getting through about 150 RYIs per week (obviously that's going to vary massively depending on whether larger RYIs were requested first).
Realise there are a lot of assumptions above, so happy for people to correct them....
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Post by lingield on Jun 8, 2020 17:38:05 GMT
Your assumptions assume no new lending. I suspect that there might be quite a bit of re-financing occurring, eg. if a £200k development facility expired today - a new facility could be granted with new money for, say another 6/12 month term. Using your assumptions 50% of the existing investors would get repaid, the over 50% would go back into the market but the whole facility amount would need to be drawn from the market. There is probably also more straightforward lending occurring as well. Both of these would slow RYI progress.
On the bright side, re-financing should mean greater contributions being made to the PF and I would also expect large repayments to come in when the world returns to normal.
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Post by ceejay on Jun 9, 2020 7:55:03 GMT
we should all assume that 90% of people in the Access queue won't be getting any money back until such time as the world outside returns to some kind of normal I'm not sure that's right. If and when the world outside returns to some kind of normal, I would imagine there will be a considerable lag (many months at least) before that is translated into normal behaviour of loans and lending. A safer assumption, if you need to be making one, is that you'll get your money back when the loans expire (not that this is guaranteed, of course, if the PF gets overwhelmed ...).
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Post by freefalljunkie on Jun 9, 2020 8:06:38 GMT
My working assumption is now that there is pretty much zero chance of getting my RYIs from Access (made on 16th and 17th March), unless something really radical changes, like Ratesetter bringing a big institutional investor onboard which seems highly unlikely. So, locked in for the duration of the underlying loans, with fingers firmly crossed that the PF doesn't get crushed by a Tsunami of Covid induced bad debt in the meantime, or the ultimate nightmare scenario, that Ratesetter itself goes bust. There is an old investment saying for when the risk/reward balance is completely out of kilter: 'picking up pennies in front of a steamroller'. Having an investment with Ratesetter currently feels like exactly that.
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Post by lingield on Jun 9, 2020 8:43:35 GMT
I agree with ceejay and freefalljunkie. My RYIs are dated 13th March, I am not expecting any returns through the RYI mechanism unless there is a new development (ie. new institutional investment).
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Post by inquiete on Jun 9, 2020 9:32:06 GMT
Given all of the above, should RS really have the right to reinvest our capital and interest repayments? We have signalled our wish to leave the platform and have our money returned to us. In normal circumstances we would have been repaid. The fact that we are not in normal circumstances should not allow RS to reinvest on our behalf. Setting reinvestment rates at 8% provides some protection, but surely nobody thinks it is appropriate that we need to logon to the platform on a regular basis (potentially for the next 5 years) to avoid the risk that these are scooped up and relent against our expressed wishes. I have written to the Ombudsman along these lines.
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Post by oppsididitagain on Jun 9, 2020 10:03:20 GMT
My working assumption is now that there is pretty much zero chance of getting my RYIs from Access (made on 16th and 17th March), unless something really radical changes, like Ratesetter bringing a big institutional investor onboard which seems highly unlikely. So, locked in for the duration of the underlying loans, with fingers firmly crossed that the PF doesn't get crushed by a Tsunami of Covid induced bad debt in the meantime, or the ultimate nightmare scenario, that Ratesetter itself goes bust. There is an old investment saying for when the risk/reward balance is completely out of kilter: 'picking up pennies in front of a steamroller'. Having an investment with Ratesetter currently feels like exactly that. I think its wrong that RS funded some 1yr and non amortising loans in the access accounts but they won't unwind these loans (give us our my money back) via the 1 yr and non amortising markets. To me that would be an easy win to keep some investors happy.
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Post by savernake on Jun 9, 2020 10:40:36 GMT
My working assumption is now that there is pretty much zero chance of getting my RYIs from Access (made on 16th and 17th March), unless something really radical changes, like Ratesetter bringing a big institutional investor onboard which seems highly unlikely. So, locked in for the duration of the underlying loans, with fingers firmly crossed that the PF doesn't get crushed by a Tsunami of Covid induced bad debt in the meantime, or the ultimate nightmare scenario, that Ratesetter itself goes bust. There is an old investment saying for when the risk/reward balance is completely out of kilter: 'picking up pennies in front of a steamroller'. Having an investment with Ratesetter currently feels like exactly that. I think its wrong that RS funded some 1yr and non amortising loans in the access accounts but they won't unwind these loans (give us our my money back) via the 1 yr and non amortising markets. To me that would be an easy win to keep some investors happy.I totally agree with this. Over 90% of my Access portfolio is stuck in just two 1yr loans. I don't have the option of withdrawing capital repayments each month like the majority of other investors in the Access account. I would happily transfer these loans to the 1yr market and even pay the withdrawal fee. Anything is better than being stuck in the near-stationary Access queue.
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Post by ceejay on Jun 9, 2020 10:47:36 GMT
I'm not sure that's right. If and when the world outside returns to some kind of normal, I would imagine there will be a considerable lag (many months at least) before that is translated into normal behaviour of loans and lending. A safer assumption, if you need to be making one, is that you'll get your money back when the loans expire (not that this is guaranteed, of course, if the PF gets overwhelmed ...). Problem with that scenario is that in the normal scheme of things RS automatically re-invest repaid loans/interest. Only if you're daft enough not to set your reinvestment % to the max. It also helps if you keep an eye on your account to cancel orders as they are set.
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Post by freefalljunkie on Jun 9, 2020 10:52:57 GMT
I think its wrong that RS funded some 1yr and non amortising loans in the access accounts but they won't unwind these loans (give us our my money back) via the 1 yr and non amortising markets. To me that would be an easy win to keep some investors happy. I totally agree with this. Over 90% of my Access portfolio is stuck in just two 1yr loans. I don't have the option of withdrawing capital repayments each month like the majority of other investors in the Access account. I would happily transfer these loans to the 1yr market and even pay the withdrawal fee. Anything is better than being stuck in the near-stationary Access queue. If it makes you feel any better, I would actually rather my Access was invested in 1 year loans like that. At least you know the date in the next year when you can get your money back. The average duration of my access loans is 25 months, with several at 57 months. 'Access', yeah right!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 8:05:08 GMT
It is also strange that so many of cinereus RYIs from different markets released on the same day - possible but quite unusual surely. An account issue maybe.
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Post by robski on Jun 11, 2020 8:57:43 GMT
Likely human error IMO
Unless something has changed RYIs required manual intervention, so its possible the way the request is displayed to the operator has meant on occasion errors have happened, such as processing multiple RYIs across morethan one market instead of just 1
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Post by beardedwonder on Jun 11, 2020 9:19:35 GMT
It is strange, but I have a similar issue. My 5 year RYI is next in the queue. (It is only £100...). But a release from after me has already been released.
So, 385161-2 from 20 March has been released, but my one (384550) has not.
Strange.
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Post by beagle on Jun 11, 2020 10:09:26 GMT
it could be anything, a glitch , human error , early payment? there are plenty of glitches with cancelled orders vanishing for example. just consider yourself lucky
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