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Post by adrianc on Jun 28, 2021 18:21:13 GMT
What I do find a tad dodgy is all the millions that disappear every year into EU coffers never to be seen again or properly audited and accounted for. Yet another... myth - he says charitably - and long since well-documented as such. fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/fullfact.org/europe/eu-accounts-signed-subject-errors/infacts.org/mythbusts/auditors-havent-refused-sign-off-eu-accounts/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36276175As for Luxembourg...  www.ccla.lu/en/luxembourg/economy-trade.php"Banking is the largest sector in the Luxembourg economy. The country has specialised in the cross-border fund administration business. As Luxembourg's domestic market is relatively small, the country's financial centre is predominantly international. At the end of March 2009, there were 152 banks in Luxembourg, with over 27,000 employees. Political stability, good communications, easy access to other European centres, skilled multilingual staff, a tradition of banking secrecy and cross-border financial expertise have all contributed to the growth of the financial sector. Germany accounts for the largest-single grouping of banks, with Scandinavian, Japanese, and major U.S. banks also heavily represented."Remember having a really successful finance sector? The City of London does...
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Post by michaelc on Jun 28, 2021 18:34:42 GMT
SO accepting Momentum Supporters standing behind him with Placards saying "for the many not the Jew" isn't anti semitic his comments that lead to his suspension as a member of the party aren't antisemitic. The fact that leading Jewish MPs left labour to form an independent group because of the poor handling of complaints of antisemitism by the party tells me the leadership is antisemitic I don't buy any of that stuff other than part of a smear campaign. Look, I'm no Corbyn fan - I'm not even "left wing". I just don't believe that that guy is racist. And if he's not racist why would he be selectively racist? I think he is no fan of Israel regarding its treatment of its arab community neighbours and nor am I but that doesn't make him him or me anti-semitic It doesn't add up. His problem apart from being associated with movements that would want to tax us until the pips squeek is that he was not a competent leader. He couldn't manage his party, his message or the press and dug his "anti-semtic" hole deeper and deeper. As to your specific point, there are no doubt racists within labour and other parties and probably Corbyn should have done a better job routing them out but that does not make him personally a racist.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 28, 2021 18:37:20 GMT
What I do find a tad dodgy is all the millions that disappear every year into EU coffers never to be seen again or properly audited and accounted for. Yet another... myth - he says charitably - and long since well-documented as such. fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/fullfact.org/europe/eu-accounts-signed-subject-errors/infacts.org/mythbusts/auditors-havent-refused-sign-off-eu-accounts/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36276175As for Luxembourg... www.ccla.lu/en/luxembourg/economy-trade.php"Banking is the largest sector in the Luxembourg economy. The country has specialised in the cross-border fund administration business. As Luxembourg's domestic market is relatively small, the country's financial centre is predominantly international. At the end of March 2009, there were 152 banks in Luxembourg, with over 27,000 employees. Political stability, good communications, easy access to other European centres, skilled multilingual staff, a tradition of banking secrecy and cross-border financial expertise have all contributed to the growth of the financial sector. Germany accounts for the largest-single grouping of banks, with Scandinavian, Japanese, and major U.S. banks also heavily represented."Remember having a really successful finance sector? The City of London does... The above is factually incorrect - you'd be advised to cross check.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 28, 2021 19:17:44 GMT
Yet another... myth - he says charitably - and long since well-documented as such. fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/fullfact.org/europe/eu-accounts-signed-subject-errors/infacts.org/mythbusts/auditors-havent-refused-sign-off-eu-accounts/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36276175As for Luxembourg... www.ccla.lu/en/luxembourg/economy-trade.php"Banking is the largest sector in the Luxembourg economy. The country has specialised in the cross-border fund administration business. As Luxembourg's domestic market is relatively small, the country's financial centre is predominantly international. At the end of March 2009, there were 152 banks in Luxembourg, with over 27,000 employees. Political stability, good communications, easy access to other European centres, skilled multilingual staff, a tradition of banking secrecy and cross-border financial expertise have all contributed to the growth of the financial sector. Germany accounts for the largest-single grouping of banks, with Scandinavian, Japanese, and major U.S. banks also heavily represented."Remember having a really successful finance sector? The City of London does... The above is factually incorrect - you'd be advised to cross check. Care to narrow it down a bit, optimally with some credible sources?
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Post by ozboy on Jun 28, 2021 20:42:58 GMT
The above is factually incorrect - you'd be advised to cross check. Care to narrow it down a bit, optimally with some credible sources? ICELAND, second? With only Fish and Tourism?!! Summit's rotten in ............................... Iceland! 
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Post by michaelc on Jun 28, 2021 21:09:32 GMT
The above is factually incorrect - you'd be advised to cross check. Care to narrow it down a bit, optimally with some credible sources? Ukraine. Its at least double that amount. If you Google it you'll get back figures like 300-500 euro. However, due to widespread tax avoidance real salaries are almost certainly much higher. So when I see one country that is clearly so far out, I don't trust the other figures.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 28, 2021 21:26:43 GMT
Care to narrow it down a bit, optimally with some credible sources? Ukraine. Its at least double that amount. If you Google it you'll get back figures like 300-500 euro. However, due to widespread tax avoidance real salaries are almost certainly much higher. So when I see one country that is clearly so far out, I don't trust the other figures. OK, so the official figures are inaccurate because people lie. But the official figures are what we actually have to work with. Anyway, as far as EU countries go... appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 28, 2021 21:58:07 GMT
Hardly a myth. The auditors acknowledge an error rate in the accounts year on year, amounting to millions upon millions unaccounted for each year. A few quotes lifted from those links... - "It’s a bit like having a bank account that accurately records the transactions you’ve made, but some of them still shouldn’t have happened in the first place."
- "The overall rate of “material error” was 4.4%. This is too high, but error is fairly common when large budgets are concerned – the EU’s budget last year was over 162.2 billion euros (£123.4 billion)."
- "The Court of Auditors has signed the EU accounts every year since 2007, while pointing out that EU countries, once they receive the EU funds, misuse about 4.4% of the total budget."
4.4% error rate on £123 billion. It's hardly a picture of good fiscal probity. And the auditors have found an error rate consistently above 2% every single year, bar 2016. That's one hell of a lot of £millions that have gone astray.
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Post by mrk on Jun 28, 2021 22:06:30 GMT
Care to narrow it down a bit, optimally with some credible sources? ICELAND, second? With only Fish and Tourism?!! You forgot Björk and Sigur Rós. It's a country with a population the size of Coventry. Doesn't take much to raise the average salary.
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Post by registerme on Jun 28, 2021 22:23:30 GMT
Hardly a myth. The auditors acknowledge an error rate in the accounts year on year, amounting to millions upon millions unaccounted for each year. A few quotes lifted from those links... - "It’s a bit like having a bank account that accurately records the transactions you’ve made, but some of them still shouldn’t have happened in the first place."
- "The overall rate of “material error” was 4.4%. This is too high, but error is fairly common when large budgets are concerned – the EU’s budget last year was over 162.2 billion euros (£123.4 billion)."
- "The Court of Auditors has signed the EU accounts every year since 2007, while pointing out that EU countries, once they receive the EU funds, misuse about 4.4% of the total budget."
4.4% error rate on £123 billion. It's hardly a picture of good fiscal probity. And the auditors have found an error rate consistently above 2% every single year, bar 2016. That's one hell of a lot of £millions that have gone astray. That's one criticism of the EU (and the Commission) that I can heartily agree with. I think their accounts have been accepted by auditors for a couple of years now, but there was certainly a period of at least two decades in which the auditors refused to sign off on the accounts. And the reluctance of the EU (and the Commission?) to tackle that in a timely fashion made me want to pull my hair out. Still, glass houses and all that...
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Post by adrianc on Jun 29, 2021 7:16:12 GMT
AIUI, many of the discrepancies are in providing accounting from the final projects in the countries themselves.
I wonder what the similar figure is for the UK?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 7:21:35 GMT
AIUI, many of the discrepancies are in providing accounting from the final projects in the countries themselves. I wonder what the similar figure is for the UK? I would love to know how much of the NHS/Covid budget from the last couple of years has gone straight into the pockets of Tory donors and Tory MPs family members.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 29, 2021 7:28:04 GMT
AIUI, many of the discrepancies are in providing accounting from the final projects in the countries themselves. I wonder what the similar figure is for the UK? I would love to know how much of the NHS/Covid budget from the last couple of years has gone straight into the pockets of Tory donors and Tory MPs family members. Who said "track and trace"...? £500/person in the country, quarter of NHS England's annual budget, with just about zero accountability and documentation. And all presided over by the wife of the government's cabinet office anti-corruption champion.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 29, 2021 11:52:34 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Jun 29, 2021 13:53:35 GMT
Ukraine. Its at least double that amount. If you Google it you'll get back figures like 300-500 euro. However, due to widespread tax avoidance real salaries are almost certainly much higher. So when I see one country that is clearly so far out, I don't trust the other figures. OK, so the official figures are inaccurate because people lie. But the official figures are what we actually have to work with. Anyway, as far as EU countries go... appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.doSorry I didn't explain that well. 300-500 are the "official" figures. The actual numbers are higher and certainly nowhere near as low as 190 as per you chart.
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