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Post by agent69 on Jun 29, 2021 18:07:57 GMT
So in all the time we were in the EU we didn't once beat Germany in the knock-out phase of a major football competition. Then less than 6 months after Brexit we stuff them 2 - nil.
Who said Brexit wouldn't bring any benefits.
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Post by keitha on Jun 29, 2021 18:36:40 GMT
IMHO in effect the Government was elected to ram Brexit through, an awful lot of the public, were fed up of MP's constantly blocking what the people democratically voted for. I for one was fed up of Bercow constantly twisting parliaments rules to suit his side. The gruniard and the lefties at the BBC don't like it but people have to accept Brexit has happened. I'd happily lay odds that the Conservatives will win the next election, mostly because Labour is so disorganised, the proof of that is putting a candidate into Hartlepool who was an ardent remainer when Hartlepool was a heavily pro Brexit area. That candidate then told the people of Hartlepool they made a mistake. I still believe momentum have a big hold on the Party and until that is broken the public won't trust Labour.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 29, 2021 19:27:02 GMT
...an awful lot of the public, were fed up of MP's constantly blocking what the people democratically voted for. By which, of course, you mean remainers trying to block Brexit? Shall we just remind ourselves of the reality? May submitted Article 50 in late March 2017, giving two years notice, expiring at the end of March 2019. The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 required "meaningful votes" before any deal could be accepted. The deal that had been negotiated by Davis, then Raab, then Barclay (all staunch Brexiteers) on May's behalf was down-voted three times between January and April 2019. It was the staunchly pro-Brexit ERG who were responsible for doing so each time. If the ERG had accepted the deal, the UK would have left in March 2019. The only way in which you can say that Remainers "blocked" Brexit is that on 13th March 2019, Parliament narrowly (321 to 278, 35 abstentions) voted against leaving with no deal, after all attempts to find a compromise acceptable to the ERG had failed. As a result, May resigned at the start of June. Johnson became Tory leader and PM at the end of July, and promptly lied to the Queen to illegally suspend parliament. Barclay then renegotiated the deal on Johnson's behalf (primarily by including the Northern Ireland Protocol which kept NI in the Single Market and Customs Union) which was approved by parliament on 9th January 2020, with the UK actually leaving at the end of January.
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Post by keitha on Jun 29, 2021 19:36:56 GMT
...an awful lot of the public, were fed up of MP's constantly blocking what the people democratically voted for. By which, of course, you mean remainers trying to block Brexit? Shall we just remind ourselves of the reality? May submitted Article 50 in late March 2017, giving two years notice, expiring at the end of March 2019. The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 required "meaningful votes" before any deal could be accepted. The deal that had been negotiated by Davis, then Raab, then Barclay (all staunch Brexiteers) on May's behalf was down-voted three times between January and April 2019. It was the staunchly pro-Brexit ERG who were responsible for doing so each time. If the ERG had accepted the deal, the UK would have left in March 2019. The only way in which you can say that Remainers "blocked" Brexit is that on 13th March 2019, Parliament narrowly (321 to 278, 35 abstentions) voted against leaving with no deal, after all attempts to find a compromise acceptable to the ERG had failed. As a result, May resigned at the start of June. Johnson became Tory leader and PM at the end of July, and promptly lied to the Queen to illegally suspend parliament. Barclay then renegotiated the deal on Johnson's behalf (primarily by including the Northern Ireland Protocol which kept NI in the Single Market and Customs Union) which was approved by parliament on 9th January 2020, with the UK actually leaving at the end of January. Exactly the remainers in parliament pushed through the 2018 act. Labour manifesto in 2017 said they would respect the vote, as did the conservatives therefore Parliament should have been backing brexit not blocking it The ERG rightly blocked Mays deal because it was Brexit in name only it would have left us as a vassal state, paying in and conforming to their demands with no influence
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Post by adrianc on Jun 29, 2021 19:44:58 GMT
By which, of course, you mean remainers trying to block Brexit? Shall we just remind ourselves of the reality? May submitted Article 50 in late March 2017, giving two years notice, expiring at the end of March 2019. The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 required "meaningful votes" before any deal could be accepted. The deal that had been negotiated by Davis, then Raab, then Barclay (all staunch Brexiteers) on May's behalf was down-voted three times between January and April 2019. It was the staunchly pro-Brexit ERG who were responsible for doing so each time. If the ERG had accepted the deal, the UK would have left in March 2019. The only way in which you can say that Remainers "blocked" Brexit is that on 13th March 2019, Parliament narrowly (321 to 278, 35 abstentions) voted against leaving with no deal, after all attempts to find a compromise acceptable to the ERG had failed. As a result, May resigned at the start of June. Johnson became Tory leader and PM at the end of July, and promptly lied to the Queen to illegally suspend parliament. Barclay then renegotiated the deal on Johnson's behalf (primarily by including the Northern Ireland Protocol which kept NI in the Single Market and Customs Union) which was approved by parliament on 9th January 2020, with the UK actually leaving at the end of January. Exactly the remainers in parliament pushed through the 2018 act. Labour manifesto in 2017 said they would respect the vote, as did the conservatives therefore Parliament should have been backing brexit not blocking it How is Parliament having a vote on the SUBSTANCE denying the CONCEPT? That's the whole problem... Brexit was never defined by those who wanted it. It was fog. What little was promised pre-referendum was nothing at all like the delivery - the reality is far starker, far harder, far more damaging to the country than what was promised. But, of course, if there hadn't been a meaningful vote, then the ERG wouldn't have been able to delay Brexit by repeatedly voting down the negotiated withdrawal - and we'd have left in March 2019 with May's deal. We wouldn't have the utter cock-up of a Northern Ireland Protocol that Johnson is now complaining vocally about... May would probably still be leading a minority government, the December 2019 election would never have happened, and we'd probably still be looking at a general election on 5th May 2022.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 9, 2021 22:14:08 GMT
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Post by jonno on Jul 10, 2021 8:13:20 GMT
Mmm; didn't know the Irish Times was quite THAT popular!
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Post by agent69 on Jul 10, 2021 8:35:08 GMT
I see the Spanish media are up in arms, saying we should never have been allowed to have the final of the Euros given we are not in the EU any more.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 10, 2021 8:50:59 GMT
Mmm; didn't know the Irish Times was quite THAT popular! The point is dear boy, that in the outside world, the mendacious falsehoods told by British politicians to British journalists are taken as the internal domestic workings of populism. However when two senior politicians place their article in the European press, clearly what they are saying is not for domestic consumption, but an address to the outside world. And it is packed with distortions and downright lying. So it has been reported all round Europe.
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Post by jonno on Jul 10, 2021 9:11:10 GMT
Mmm; didn't know the Irish Times was quite THAT popular! The point is dear boy, that in the outside world, the mendacious falsehoods told by British politicians to British journalists are taken as the internal domestic workings of populism. However when two senior politicians place their article in the European press, clearly what they are saying is not for domestic consumption, but an address to the outside world. And it is packed with distortions and downright lying. So it has been reported all round Europe. Unlike, old chum, your completely impartial and unbiased views which are not at all based on your own sad little universe.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 10, 2021 9:30:12 GMT
I see the Spanish media are up in arms, saying we should never have been allowed to have the final of the Euros given we are not in the EU any more. And the Italians. Of course, the fact that the EU makes up just over 50% of UEFA (counting the bits of UK as one) & three members aren't even in Europe, and several others pushing geography somewhat, makes the point even more ludicrous. Oh & UEFA predates the EU of course, was founded in a non-EU member & has its HQ in one.
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Post by Nomad on Jul 10, 2021 9:33:39 GMT
I see the Spanish media are up in arms, saying we should never have been allowed to have the final of the Euros given we are not in the EU any more. UEFA has 55 members, the majority of which (28 vs 27) are not EU members.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 10, 2021 11:09:07 GMT
If Bruton is that concerned about UK produce somehow making its way down from Northern Ireland and tainting his country and the EU, isn't Ireland free to erect a customs barrier to prevent it? Nothing we could do to stop that. Instead of whingeing, just get on and do it. Our big mistake was to be ruled by the threat of terrorism. In desperately trying to avert it, we've tied ourselves in knots, allowing the other side to snipe and whinge instead of behaving sensibly and making due allowance. Time to scrap the Protocol and place the trade border where it should rightfully belong. Let Ireland and the EU decide how physical they want any barrier and how heavy-handed it should be policed.
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Post by mrk on Jul 10, 2021 11:10:13 GMT
I see the Spanish media are up in arms, saying we should never have been allowed to have the final of the Euros given we are not in the EU any more. I guess you mean some English media are up in arms about one Spanish commentator saying that.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 10, 2021 11:17:55 GMT
I see the Spanish media are up in arms, saying we should never have been allowed to have the final of the Euros given we are not in the EU any more. I guess you mean some English media are up in arms about one Spanish commentator saying that. I wonder if the same people were as hostile to France when they won the 1998 World Cup.... on French soil?
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