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Post by adrianc on Dec 9, 2021 11:54:06 GMT
No, it's a simple statement of which of those supranational bodies each country is a member of. If you say so  . Ooookay... Which of these do you not think is an actual supranational body? Which do you think the UK should be coloured-in as a member of? Eurozone EU Schengen European Single Market EEA EU Customs Union CEFTA Council of Europe EFTA ...? Geographical Europe is simply a basic geological/tectonic fact. Or are you thinking that the UK still has full, partial with exceptions, or limited access to the Single Market? "Access" does not mean "can sell to". It means "actually part of to varying extent"... (Clue: UK was a full member; now GB not a member at all, NI still a partial member with exceptions, because of the Frost/Johnson protocol.)
BTW, the current government want to take us out of the Council of Europe, remember?
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Post by registerme on Dec 9, 2021 11:56:38 GMT
eh there was no real agenda in me posting that graphic - very similar (though without population) have been posted before. It was just something I saw after seeing that "vaccination" graph video on /r/DataIsBeautiful, and it was a slightly new take so I figured I'd bring it across.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 9, 2021 12:10:12 GMT
If you say so . Ooookay... Which of these do you not think is an actual supranational body? Which do you think the UK should be coloured-in as a member of? Eurozone EU Schengen European Single Market EEA EU Customs Union CEFTA Council of Europe EFTA ...? Geographical Europe is simply a basic geological/tectonic fact. Or are you thinking that the UK still has full, partial with exceptions, or limited access to the Single Market? "Access" does not mean "can sell to". It means "actually part of to varying extent"... (Clue: UK was a full member; now GB not a member at all, NI still a partial member with exceptions, because of the Frost/Johnson protocol.)
BTW, the current government want to take us out of the Council of Europe, remember? Sorry, I got excited when you mentioned colouring in. I went to find my crayons... ...what colour for NATO? G7?
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Post by michaelc on Dec 9, 2021 13:36:31 GMT
Back to the euro army. The issue isn't with that per-sae but the fact that it is yet another feature of a single nation state.
One of my reasons "for" Leave was because it was becoming obvious many in the rest of europe wanted to move towards that singular nation whereas I didn't.
Right now, its probably "lucky" we don't have a significant Euro army force (as in single Euro army). Being in the Ukraine at the moment the last thing we need is a third power to weigh in and potentially spark WW3. At least with two blocks, each side can predict the outcome of different actions more easily.
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Post by registerme on Dec 9, 2021 15:17:07 GMT
Back to the euro army. The issue isn't with that per-sae but the fact that it is yet another feature of a single nation state. One of my reasons "for" Leave was because it was becoming obvious many in the rest of europe wanted to move towards that singular nation whereas I didn't. I'm actually ok with the idea of a single European nation state. What I am not ok with is the idea that this is the end state tacitly agreed to by those in power without having received a mandate from their electorate. And I think this is a reasonably legitimate criticism of the "EU project". And whilst I'm ok with the idea in general, it doesn't mean that somebody else is wrong because they hold a different or opposing view. There are things, positions, rationales etc held by "Leave" that I think are simply wrong. This isn't one of them.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 9, 2021 15:27:55 GMT
One of my reasons "for" Leave was because it was becoming obvious many in the rest of europe wanted to move towards that singular nation whereas I didn't. Anybody who thinks it's even remotely likely doesn't know what the mindset is in most European countries... Remember, any one country can veto it. Can you really see the Visegrad Four, or the ex-Yugo pair, or the Baltic trio wanting to lose their so-recently-gained and so-staunchly-defended nationhood?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 15:56:38 GMT
Being in the Ukraine at the moment the last thing we need is a third power to weigh in and potentially spark WW3. There is only one block wanting to attack "Ukraine" at the moment and the block, to its shame, is playing out the early WW2 strategy at the moment. Just a little invasion here and a little there.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 9, 2021 20:21:35 GMT
Being in the Ukraine at the moment the last thing we need is a third power to weigh in and potentially spark WW3. There is only one block wanting to attack "Ukraine" at the moment and the block, to its shame, is playing out the early WW2 strategy at the moment. Just a little invasion here and a little there. If you were living with your family in Kyiv as I am I might take your opinion more seriously 
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Post by adrianc on Dec 9, 2021 20:51:22 GMT
So, michaelc, what is the feet on the street opinion? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 16:12:32 GMT
There is only one block wanting to attack "Ukraine" at the moment and the block, to its shame, is playing out the early WW2 strategy at the moment. Just a little invasion here and a little there. If you were living with your family in Kyiv as I am I might take your opinion more seriously I'm still not convinced by "as I am", but wherever you are, I hope you are safe.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 16, 2021 17:20:13 GMT
If you were living with your family in Kyiv as I am I might take your opinion more seriously I'm still not convinced by "as I am", but wherever you are, I hope you are safe. Strange post.... why would you think michaelc mightn't be where he says?
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Post by michaelc on Dec 16, 2021 17:38:22 GMT
I'm still not convinced by "as I am", but wherever you are, I hope you are safe. Strange post.... why would you think michaelc mightn't be where he says? I think he thinks I'm some sort of russian bot programmed to infiltrate forums and spread pro-russian views. Not sure how to disprove that. Don't ask me why I think that though as I'd have to trawl back previous posts and it would take too long but he certainly thinks I'm not genuine I think because I don't tow the UK government line on russia and china. As for being in the Ukraine, I'm not sure how to prove that or why I'd want to.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 16, 2021 19:49:53 GMT
The Internet can be a strange place at times, but it's not a new phenomenon. I once worked with a thoroughly paranoid guy, who'd managed to convince himself he was being followed by MI5. One day, some poor chap turned up at work, contracted to conduct a time & motion study on us, and Mr Paranoid was convinced this was his spy! All went swimmingly until Mr Paranoid decided to challenge him... The resulting fallout was quite comical for all concerned, except the poor contractor who left our place convinced IT workers must all be raving loons. Actually, he may have had a point.  |
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 16, 2021 20:30:35 GMT
The Internet can be a strange place at times, but it's not a new phenomenon. I once worked with a thoroughly paranoid guy, who'd managed to convince himself he was being followed by MI5. One day, some poor chap turned up at work, contracted to conduct a time & motion study on us, and Mr Paranoid was convinced this was his spy! All went swimmingly until Mr Paranoid decided to challenge him... The resulting fallout was quite comical for all concerned, except the poor contractor who left our place convinced IT workers must all be raving loons. Actually, he may have had a point. I have a cousin who thinks she is/was being bugged apparently by M15, the FBI and who knows who else, I'm not sure why she thought that, but years ago she did turn up at a family wedding in a flashy car and mink coat, no one knew where that all came from...
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 19, 2021 17:02:57 GMT
Back to Brexit and Logistics, From 21 May 2022, you’ll need a standard international goods vehicle operator licence to transport goods to the EU, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.
This will apply to you if you’re based in Great Britain or Northern Ireland and use:
vans or other light goods vehicles (sometimes called ‘light commercial vehicles’)
vans towing trailers
cars towing trailers
The new rules will apply to you if you use:
vans with a maximum authorised mass (MAM) over 2,500kg (2.5 tonnes) and up to and including 3,500kg (3.5 tonnes)
vans towing a trailer with a gross train weight (GTW) over 2.5 tonnes and up to and including 3.5 tonnes
cars towing a trailer with a GTW over 2.5 tonnes and up to and including 3.5 tonnes
You will not need a goods vehicle operator licence if any of these apply:
you only use your vehicles in the UK
you are transporting goods on a non-commercial basis (not for ‘hire or reward’)
You’ll need to get a goods vehicle operator licence to continue using your vans or car and trailers to transport goods in the EU, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.
You’ll need to apply for a standard international licence - this lets you transport your own and other people’s goods.
It costs £257 to apply for a goods vehicle operator licence.
If your application is successful, you need to pay £401 for the licence.
You’ll then need to pay a continuation fee every 5 years to keep your licence active. This costs £401.www.gov.uk/guidance/transport-goods-in-and-out-of-the-uk-using-vans-or-car-and-trailers-from-21-may-2022? |
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