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Post by adrianc on Mar 20, 2022 14:06:42 GMT
Apparently Ukraine's ambassador was in the audience. Oh, to have listened in to his innermost thoughts...
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 20, 2022 14:11:36 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Mar 20, 2022 14:18:05 GMT
Yeah, of course in 2016, 48% of Brits were "anti-freedom". Not even that, of course. 37.5% of the electorate were apparently in favour of freedom, no more than that. 34.7% were, apparently, pro- "oppression" and "tyrrany". (not my words) The other 27.8% weren't bothered either way.
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Post by james100 on Mar 20, 2022 15:09:40 GMT
Yeah, of course in 2016, 48% of Brits were "anti-freedom". Johnson conflates a country united against oppression with a country riven doen the middle by disagreement driven by lies and misinformation, some of it originating in Russia.
<snip> (my emphasis) Be careful, you're starting to sound like his dad 
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 20, 2022 18:20:09 GMT
Apparently Ukraine's ambassador was in the audience. Oh, to have listened in to his innermost thoughts... Well, he didn't get up and leave. But I suppose he hadn't heard the manufactured faux outrage of the lefties and Remoaners at that point.
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 20, 2022 18:34:58 GMT
Oh, to have listened in to his innermost thoughts... Well, he didn't get up and leave. But I suppose he hadn't heard the manufactured faux outrage of the lefties and Remoaners at that point. Nothing manufactured about my outrage. It was real and instant.
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Post by JamesFrance on Mar 21, 2022 8:10:05 GMT
As I recall, the last two wars were about not being controlled by Germany. The EU may well have been seen by many as the same outcome by different means, the treatment of Greece being an obvious example.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 21, 2022 8:34:09 GMT
As I recall, the last two wars were about not being controlled by Germany. WW2 was about not being controlled by a murderous fascist regime, yes. WW1 was about nationalism in the face of the change in the balance of power following the collapse of long-standing empires (Habsburg-Austrohungarian, Ottoman), with Russian expansionism into the Balkans. It may well be seen as that by some, despite the reality. It all depends on if they want to be accurate or simply to try and prove their preconceptions. Apart from anything else, the Greek debt crisis was not about the EU - it was about the Eurozone. (Remember, if you're trying to draw parallels with the UK, that the UK had a permanent opt-out from the Euro as part of Maastricht) Greece joined the EU in 1981, and the Eurozone in 2001, two years after the Eurozone was founded. The whole crisis was precipitated precisely because the Greek government did have control of their own economy - and mismanaged it terribly, lying about debt and deficit levels. If they'd been honest about those, they would never have joined the Eurozone. The Greek government had the option to leave the Eurozone (while remaining within the EU), allowing them to return to a devalued Drachma - but they chose not to take that option.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 25, 2022 7:53:23 GMT
Letter in the Times from former party grandee, Lord Cormack, formerly Patrick Cormack MP for Cannock from 1970 then South Staffordshire from 1974 to 2010, former chair of the Northern Ireland Affairs Select Committee. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/times-letters-comparing-ukraines-fight-to-the-brexit-vote-fdlfff7jmSir,
On Saturday in Blackpool Boris Johnson plumbed the depths of political oratory. In a few short sentences he managed to insult 44 million Ukrainians, about 500 million citizens of the European Union and almost half of those who voted in the EU referendum (report, Mar 21). By his grotesque comparison of a nation fighting for the survival of its democracy with that narrow majority of his fellow citizens who voted to leave the EU he destroyed all he has achieved in recent weeks. Never, since the office was created, has a prime minister sunk so low. Who can now prevent the once great One Nation Conservative Party from becoming the English National Party?
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 25, 2022 13:00:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 15:07:05 GMT
To be fair Disreali and Wilson did a fair job at mucking up the role before him
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Post by registerme on Apr 1, 2022 9:16:39 GMT
chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/04/admissions-denials-and-amnesia.htmlEDIT: No surprise that I agree with most of that, and that most of it continues to make me furious. But one line did get a chuckle out of me. " Actually, it sometimes seems to me as if Express journalists are trolling their own readers and editors, so great is the gap between many of its Brexit articles, on the one hand, and the headlines above and reader comments below, on the other". 
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Post by captainconfident on Apr 1, 2022 17:52:55 GMT
chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/04/admissions-denials-and-amnesia.htmlEDIT: No surprise that I agree with most of that, and that most of it continues to make me furious. But one line did get a chuckle out of me. " Actually, it sometimes seems to me as if Express journalists are trolling their own readers and editors, so great is the gap between many of its Brexit articles, on the one hand, and the headlines above and reader comments below, on the other".  Although is not the main subject of the argument here, I thought this was an interesting thought. Certainly, more than most, the present government habitually operates on the basis that people should simply ignore any scandals, promises or events – for example the handling of the pandemic, Partygate, or just the endless reviews and inquiries it instigates – dismissing them as old news from the past or punting them into the future. Hence the present is never the moment to be accountable, preventing any accountability at all.The gvt has indeed perfected this technique, and even though there are no "Brexit Benefits" at all and quite a lot of major problems, whether or not this is so can of course only be judged after another 10/47/1000 years.
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Post by registerme on Apr 30, 2022 11:02:14 GMT
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Post by registerme on May 20, 2022 9:49:10 GMT
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