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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2022 15:46:03 GMT
Lovely, an' all, but none of them were even involved in the negotiations except Verhofstadt, well known as a long-standing Anglophile.
The Express - hardly the most credible source - single-handedly attributed those words to Verhofstadt.
The person to whom they were made - the BBC's UN correspondent, Nick Bryant - only attributed them to "a European diplomat".
I think even you surely have to admit that the whole saga has indeed gone down as one of the greatest own-foot-shootings in recorded history, though...
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 15:53:47 GMT
Really bernythedolt , if you're going down that route it's surely only fair to include all the spiteful, aggressive, xenophobic mouthings uttered by many in the UK press and political classes? Many of them downright lies. Christ, even Steve Baker apologised recently... Still waiting for apologies from Guy Verhofstadt and friends... Until then, I'm quite happy with New World wines and non-EU goods where there's a choice.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 20, 2022 16:01:34 GMT
Indian government spokesman on World Service just now. The remarks on immigration made by Suella Braverman have caused great offense in India. India will continue to finalise a trade treaty with the EU. Then the UK deal might come back into the picture if current "chaos" results in a government more friendly to India.
Here's an idea - rejoin the EU, and get that Indian trade deal that Global Britain sets such store by as an added bonus!, as long as they don't come over here.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 16:07:11 GMT
Lovely, an' all, but none of them were even involved in the negotiations except Verhofstadt, well known as a long-standing Anglophile. The Express - hardly the most credible source - single-handedly attributed those words to Verhofstadt. The person to whom they were made - the BBC's UN correspondent, Nick Bryant - only attributed them to "a European diplomat". It barely matters which nasty EU "diplomat" said it, the point was made (and was clearly shared by many on the EU side). Too early by far to draw conclusions. As you know, such massive changes take years to bear fruit. But this isn't really the point, is it? It's a deflection. You asked for instances of the EU's nasty attitude to the UK.
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Post by mrk on Oct 20, 2022 16:07:25 GMT
Really bernythedolt , if you're going down that route it's surely only fair to include all the spiteful, aggressive, xenophobic mouthings uttered by many in the UK press and political classes? Many of them downright lies. Christ, even Steve Baker apologised recently... Still waiting for apologies from Guy Verhofstadt and friends... Until then, I'm quite happy with New World wines and non-EU goods where there's a choice. That's your choice of course, but I do wonder which percentage of the UK population is now happy to have a 4% smaller GDP to spite the EU. ("Growth, growth, growth" they say.) And by the way, non-EU goods means a lot from friendly countries like China and (at least in 2021) Russia.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 20, 2022 16:22:50 GMT
Still waiting for apologies from Guy Verhofstadt and friends... Until then, I'm quite happy with New World wines and non-EU goods where there's a choice. That's your choice of course, but I do wonder which percentage of the UK population is now happy to have a 4% smaller GDP to spite the EU. ("Growth, growth, growth" they say.) And by the way, non-EU goods means a lot from friendly countries like China and (at least in 2021) Russia. This is quite funny, taking personal offence at what some MEP once said. And what about the other side of the coin, what Nigel Farage MEP said? How many people in the EU re boycotting British goods because of that? Answer: nobody remembers because nobody is so thin skinned.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2022 16:24:17 GMT
Lovely, an' all, but none of them were even involved in the negotiations except Verhofstadt, well known as a long-standing Anglophile. The Express - hardly the most credible source - single-handedly attributed those words to Verhofstadt. The person to whom they were made - the BBC's UN correspondent, Nick Bryant - only attributed them to "a European diplomat". It barely matters which nasty EU "diplomat" said it, the point was made (and was clearly shared by many on the EU side). It certainly does matter if it was somebody actually involved in the negotiations or not. Well, here we are - six years after the vote, nearly three years after actually leaving, nearly two years after the end of the transition period... ...and even JRM has given up on trying to find "Brexit Opportunities", having unearthed precisely nothing to date. Oh, wait. JRM said it could be fifty years, didn't he? "the electorate, ultimately, will be the judge of this and will decide whether Brexit has been a success or a failure"Yup, he's not wrong there. The ERG's two PMs on the trot have certainly been bellwethers of that so far.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 16:34:50 GMT
That's your choice of course, but I do wonder which percentage of the UK population is now happy to have a 4% smaller GDP to spite the EU. ("Growth, growth, growth" they say.) And by the way, non-EU goods means a lot from friendly countries like China and (at least in 2021) Russia. This is quite funny, taking personal offence at what some MEP once said. And what about the other side of the coin, what Nigel Farage MEP said? How many people in the EU re boycotting British goods because of that? Answer: nobody remembers because nobody is so thin skinned. But it wasn't just what some individual said, was it? "We must punish Britain to discourage the others" was so clearly the attitude pervading the whole of the EU side during negotiations and since. Luckily we are all free to interpret for ourselves what we experienced, and react accordingly.
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Post by registerme on Oct 21, 2022 22:59:17 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Oct 22, 2022 14:38:16 GMT
Brexit was the first time I saw the FT depart from its pretty sharp focus on reporting the news without trying to shape it. Prior to then, it had a fearsome reputation for saying it as it is. A real shame and so no, I obviously won't click on any FT link that is about Brexit.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 23, 2022 12:43:28 GMT
Brexit was the first time I saw the FT depart from its pretty sharp focus on reporting the news without trying to shape it. Prior to then, it had a fearsome reputation for saying it as it is. A real shame and so no, I obviously won't click on any FT link that is about Brexit. I've watched it. michaelc you're right, you would be horrified if you saw that, a narrow escape.
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Post by mrk on Oct 23, 2022 12:49:03 GMT
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Post by registerme on Oct 23, 2022 13:10:23 GMT
If Brexiteers did biology they'd be called Lysenkoists.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 14:02:36 GMT
we can still trade with the Faroe isles :-)
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Post by michaelc on Oct 23, 2022 14:17:52 GMT
Brexit was the first time I saw the FT depart from its pretty sharp focus on reporting the news without trying to shape it. Prior to then, it had a fearsome reputation for saying it as it is. A real shame and so no, I obviously won't click on any FT link that is about Brexit. Click bait right there 
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