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Post by ptr120 on Oct 25, 2022 17:43:28 GMT
Remoaners: You might like to consider the evidence that the EU is suffering indentical , if not more, financial repercussions as a result of covid,fuel crisis due to war and over zealous green policies. Do you REALLY still yearn to return to that ridiculous vanity project? More? As someone who lives in the EU but has very close ties to the UK, I'm simply not seeing that. Similar? Sure. The one thing that EU countries don't really seem to be suffering from at the Brexit related issues that the UK is suffering from, and will continue to suffer from.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2022 7:09:51 GMT
Remoaners: You might like to consider the evidence that the EU is suffering indentical , if not more, financial repercussions as a result of covid,fuel crisis due to war and over zealous green policies. Do you REALLY still yearn to return to that ridiculous vanity project? More? As someone who lives in the EU but has very close ties to the UK, I'm simply not seeing that. Similar? Sure. The one thing that EU countries don't really seem to be suffering from at the Brexit related issues that the UK is suffering from, and will continue to suffer from. You can't argue with somebody who still lets their religious fervour overrule hard facts and reality, even after all these years of "project fear" being proved accurate.
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Post by registerme on Dec 3, 2022 10:36:56 GMT
FT article - "Brexit and the economy: the his has been substantially negative". archive.ph/AjsB5 |
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Post by mrk on Dec 3, 2022 12:18:19 GMT
FT article - "Brexit and the economy: the his has been substantially negative". archive.ph/AjsB5Even the most positive spin the Express (!) can find at this point is "jam tomorrow": David Davis has 'no doubts' Brexit benefits will come despite 'no major' ones so farFormer Brexit Secretary David Davis said he is confident the UK will see the Brexit opportunities appear in the foreseeable future, though he was unable to give a clear timeline or expose what sort of advantages the UK could win from leaving the European Union.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 12:28:00 GMT
FT article - "Brexit and the economy: the his has been substantially negative". archive.ph/AjsB5Even the most positive spin the Express (!) can find at this point is "jam tomorrow": David Davis has 'no doubts' Brexit benefits will come despite 'no major' ones so farFormer Brexit Secretary David Davis said he is confident the UK will see the Brexit opportunities appear in the foreseeable future, though he was unable to give a clear timeline or expose what sort of advantages the UK could win from leaving the European Union.if it is foreseeable then why can he not give a timeline or explain what the advantages are? DD really seems to struggle with English.
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Post by registerme on Dec 17, 2022 10:25:02 GMT
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Post by registerme on Dec 31, 2022 10:34:53 GMT
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Post by registerme on Jan 7, 2023 10:36:42 GMT
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Post by registerme on Jan 9, 2023 18:59:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 10:34:23 GMT
Nice article in the Economist to celebrate 10 years since Cameron initiated the referendum
the magazine also covers what we should do going forward
1) Brexiteers, get over it, you were wrong, but the Europeans don't trust us any more
2) Remainers, get over it, you were right, but the Europeans don't trust us any more 3) UK start by doing some simple deals to earn some trust with the Europeans, small deals like the knowledge/science transfer situation
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Post by jonno on Jan 10, 2023 10:49:40 GMT
Nice article in the Economist to celebrate 10 years since Cameron initiated the referendum
the magazine also covers what we should do going forward
1) Brexiteers, get over it, you were wrong, but the Europeans don't trust us any more
2) Remainers, get over it, you were right, but the Europeans don't trust us any more 3) UK start by doing some simple deals to earn some trust with the Europeans, small deals like the knowledge/science transfer situation
I'm really not convinced that highlighting who was supposedly "right or wrong" is the most sensible way of moving any of this forward and helping people to "get over it".
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 10, 2023 10:58:33 GMT
Nice article in the Economist to celebrate 10 years since Cameron initiated the referendum
the magazine also covers what we should do going forward
1) Brexiteers, get over it, you were wrong, but the Europeans don't trust us any more
2) Remainers, get over it, you were right, but the Europeans don't trust us any more 3) UK start by doing some simple deals to earn some trust with the Europeans, small deals like the knowledge/science transfer situation
I'm really not convinced that highlighting who was supposedly "right or wrong" is the most sensible way of moving any of this forward and helping people to "get over it". OK, "learning from mistakes" might be better - but I don't think it is a good policy to ignore the fact that Brexit has cost the country hugely and that we are all paying the costs. Otherwise the "Project Fear" tactic will just keep being used in politics. We are already at a stage where reality is at risk of coming a poor second to wishful thinking, and unless we change that soon to some sort of (at least quasi-) honest debate we are simply doomed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 11:53:44 GMT
Nice article in the Economist to celebrate 10 years since Cameron initiated the referendum
the magazine also covers what we should do going forward
1) Brexiteers, get over it, you were wrong, but the Europeans don't trust us any more
2) Remainers, get over it, you were right, but the Europeans don't trust us any more 3) UK start by doing some simple deals to earn some trust with the Europeans, small deals like the knowledge/science transfer situation
I'm really not convinced that highlighting who was supposedly "right or wrong" is the most sensible way of moving any of this forward and helping people to "get over it". nor me, but it sort of replicates the article and tries to move us on, not getting stuck at 1945/ 1960 etc like we normally do
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Post by registerme on Jan 10, 2023 12:18:14 GMT
And people recognising the mistake that's been made (and perhaps their part in it) might go a very long way to stop people like Bridgen, Baker, JRM, Davis and Frost (well, sadly, not Frost) from being re-elected.
Clear the batwit loonies out and get back to a center right Conservative party. The world would be a much better place. Oh, and yeah, Labour has its share too. Certainly the EU will be reluctant to engage with us whilst we have the ERG etc exerting any material level of influence on policy or the electorate.
Still, it will be difficult. Being comfortable admitting (if only to yourself) that you were / are wrong about something is not a common human trait.
But it's not just about recognising that leaving the EU was a mistake. It's essential for this country's future that it learn from the reasons why people voted to leave. There are many, they're not all solvable, but surely we, as a country, can do a better job?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 18:01:38 GMT
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