jlend
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Post by jlend on Dec 8, 2020 19:35:55 GMT
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ilmoro
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'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 8, 2020 22:28:19 GMT
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Post by martin44 on Dec 8, 2020 22:54:34 GMT
Well done to the EU... They have seen sense. edit... AND WELL DONE BORIS... TOP MAN.
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Post by martin44 on Dec 8, 2020 23:04:22 GMT
Next step is dinner in brussels for the winn....... negotiators ..
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Post by michaelc on Dec 8, 2020 23:28:39 GMT
Well done to the EU... They have seen sense. edit... AND WELL DONE BORIS... TOP MAN. They have ?
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Post by adrianc on Dec 9, 2020 7:59:32 GMT
Well done to the EU... They have seen sense. edit... AND WELL DONE BORIS... TOP MAN. They have ? There's an agreement over the mechanics of the NI border, regardless of whether there's a trade deal. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55229681"In principle".But no detail is public yet. But it's been achieved by withdrawing the international-law-breaking bits of the Internal Markets Bill, so presumably the border will be in the Irish Sea, not between NI and RoI. If any one individual needs thanking for this, I suspect it's Biden standing behind the GFA - and it doesn't sound like the EU has moved much, from what little is public so far.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 9, 2020 8:03:33 GMT
Brexiteer Sir Jim Ratcliffe's INEOS to build Defender replacement (the Grenadier) in Hambach, France instead of Bridgend.
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Post by james100 on Dec 9, 2020 8:15:09 GMT
Brexiteer Sir Jim Ratcliffe's INEOS to build Defender replacement (the Grenadier) in Hambach, France instead of Bridgend. I would expect nothing less from a major Brexit backer so utterly patriotic they have chosen to reside in Monaco for tax purposes, although I must say I appreciate what ineos has done with belstaff over the last couple of years...an iconic British brand indeed. Maybe the move was prompted by the financial hit suffered by restrictions on his plans to totally frack up the UK?
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Post by dan1 on Dec 9, 2020 8:47:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 9:26:37 GMT
Karma
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 9, 2020 9:39:21 GMT
But really in all this mess, the biggest problem and the one that really got me excited about it all was when a group of clever people tried to fiddle with a free and fair referendum. (As free and fair as any other election in this country which isn't without issues but is considered good enough). It really shocked me that so many of former friends (and some current) colleagues etc convinced themselves that their "right" version of European relations is more important than what some idiots and thickies voted for - i.e they must believe the issue at hand was more important than democracy itself. In fact it got me so fired up, I joined a political party just for the purpose of deposing our MP (which he duly was). You wrote a lot of stuff that just refights the referendum, but we are here now, so could you answer the original question?. There were two or three different visions of Brexit on offer. Which one did you think was going t be pursued? Whoch one did you most support? Are you happy with the current religious zeal for an ideologically pure Brexit at the expense of all else? This is an article discussing precisely this question:- www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/the-idea-of-sovereignty-is-nonsense-let-s-give-up-the-obsession-and-break-the-brexit-deadlock/ar-BB1bJIzy?ocid=msedgntpSo here is the problem. Having voted that we take off even though there were people pointing out that there was an engine on fire, those people are asking, did you have a preferred way of landing? and there is no answer.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 9, 2020 9:59:58 GMT
So here is the problem. Having voted that we take off even though there were people pointing out that there was an engine on fire, those people are asking, did you have a preferred way of landing? and there is no answer. Safely is the obvious answer. Edit: Of course you could ask remainers exactly their position on the EU, exactly what sort of remain were they signing up for, closer unity, a federal Europe, using the euro, or the status quo, and what if their sort of remain didn't happen?
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 9, 2020 10:25:39 GMT
So here is the problem. Having voted that we take off even though there were people pointing out that there was an engine on fire, those people are asking, did you have a preferred way of landing? and there is no answer. Safely is the obvious answer. Edit: Of course you could ask remainers exactly their position on the EU, exactly what sort of remain were they signing up for, closer unity, a federal Europe, using the euro, or the status quo, and what if their sort of remain didn't happen? You didn't have to ask them, it was all there in black and white what remain meant. Sure, you could try and change our relationship within the EU (Euro, opt outs etc) in future, but that's a different issue. What Leave meant was deliberately opaque, by the explicit design of Cummings et al.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 9, 2020 10:55:46 GMT
Safely is the obvious answer. Edit: Of course you could ask remainers exactly their position on the EU, exactly what sort of remain were they signing up for, closer unity, a federal Europe, using the euro, or the status quo, and what if their sort of remain didn't happen? You didn't have to ask them, it was all there in black and white what remain meant. Sure, you could try and change our relationship within the EU (Euro, opt outs etc) in future, but that's a different issue. What Leave meant was deliberately opaque, by the explicit design of Cummings et al. OK so what do you think remain meant other than staying in the EU? Where would you want (or wouldn't want) the EU to go in the future? And do all remainers agree on that? It seems the argument being made is that leavers had a variety of expectations of what leaving would mean, but remainers also had different expectations of what staying would mean. The choice at the time was binary stay or leave, everyone weighed up whether they thought the long term future should be inside or outside Europe with all the possibilities either could hold.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 9, 2020 11:52:42 GMT
Well done to the EU... They have seen sense. edit... AND WELL DONE BORIS... TOP MAN. They have ? WELL DONE BIDEN The special relationship is as strong as ever.
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