agent69
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Post by agent69 on Feb 3, 2021 20:46:24 GMT
Scotland's problem is it wants to be in the EU, but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. Or Scotland has to join the queue. Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Feb 3, 2021 20:58:31 GMT
Scotland's problem is it wants to be in the EU, but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. Or Scotland has to join the queue. Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. Scotland would clearly be a net contributor so would be welcome with open arms to help pay the bills.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 3, 2021 21:08:53 GMT
Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. Scotland would clearly be a net contributor so would be welcome with open arms to help pay the bills. Yes and they are cosmopolitan and outward looking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 21:25:47 GMT
Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. All the more reason for Scotland to get started as soon as possible then.
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Post by dan1 on Feb 3, 2021 22:32:36 GMT
Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. All the more reason for Scotland to get started as soon as possible then. A bit of a spat.... Boris Johnson sacks top pro-Union adviser amid fallout over ‘utterly reckless’ trip to Scottish vaccine plantwww.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-sacks-top-pro-23439031
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Post by registerme on Feb 3, 2021 22:49:30 GMT
Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. Scotland would clearly be a net contributor so would be welcome with open arms to help pay the bills. I'm assuming you missed the "/s" out there deliberately?
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Feb 3, 2021 22:56:33 GMT
Scotland would clearly be a net contributor so would be welcome with open arms to help pay the bills. I'm assuming you missed the "/s" out there deliberately? No, nothing fishy in my contribution. Edit, still the last post so I will elaborate. Honestly have no idea if it is true or not, would lean towards not (I had assumed endless graphs and links if anybody had been interested). I think the EU would be highly reluctant to engage with Scotland, it would be a hugely complex hornets nest. If they gave clear indication that they would or would not then that would be helpful. I suspect it is not at the top of their list currently.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 4, 2021 12:42:10 GMT
Scotland's problem is it wants to be in the EU, but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. Or Scotland has to join the queue. Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. Five. Turkey has been an official candidate since 1999. They're still MILES away from completing all the accession chapters, and there's zero political will under Erdogan. And that's before considering the inevitable Greek and Cypriot vetoes over North Cyprus, and the Visegrad Four's anti-Islamic vetoes... Three of the other candidates are Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia. Anybody who thinks they've got the first hope of not being immediately vetoed far and wide doesn't have the first clue about the tensions there still are within the former Yugoslavia, even if they got within a country mile of completing all the chapters. At least FFYROM has resolved the main reason for a Greek veto with the 2019 name change. Montenegro's largely a monumentally corrupt poundshop-Croatia for Russians, so won't be THAT interested (and, if they were, Putin would have a word). Serbia's about the only viable one, but still has the whole Kosovo albatross. Then the last one? Albania. Bless 'em... Got to love their optimism.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 4, 2021 13:19:05 GMT
Average time to negotiate EU membership is 5 years, and there are 6 other countries waiting to join. Five. Turkey has been an official candidate since 1999. They're still MILES away from completing all the accession chapters, and there's zero political will under Erdogan. And that's before considering the inevitable Greek and Cypriot vetoes over North Cyprus, and the Visegrad Four's anti-Islamic vetoes... Three of the other candidates are Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia. Anybody who thinks they've got the first hope of not being immediately vetoed far and wide doesn't have the first clue about the tensions there still are within the former Yugoslavia, even if they got within a country mile of completing all the chapters. At least FFYROM has resolved the main reason for a Greek veto with the 2019 name change. Montenegro's largely a monumentally corrupt poundshop-Croatia for Russians, so won't be THAT interested (and, if they were, Putin would have a word). Serbia's about the only viable one, but still has the whole Kosovo albatross. Then the last one? Albania. Bless 'em... Got to love their optimism. The list I saw included Bosnia / Herzegovina, which applied for membership 5 years ago but don't appear to progressed to the 'candidate negotiating' stage.
While I'm not a fan of independence for Scotland, if I was in the EU's position I would have them ahead of the 5/6/7 currently in the queue anyday.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 4, 2021 17:03:56 GMT
A twitter thread on Brexit logistics issues reported in the Select Committee today: e.g. CEO Scottish food & drink: " This is not just a seafood issue. Our red meat grade volumes are sitting about 25-30% of normal. We can’t export fresh mince into the EU, we can’t trade live sheep to Northern Ireland, we can’t export seed potatoes to the EU...these are nightmarish consequences.” Still, it's not all bad - : " Speakers note that were it not for Covid and the fact that so much demands has been suppressed as a result of European hospitality being effectively shut down, that the new export system would have collapsed completely" i.e. thank goodness for COVID-19 Btw, I'm starting to form an impression that Scotland and to a larger extent N.Ireland have been thrown right under the bus with this agreement. Is that just me?
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Post by adrianc on Feb 4, 2021 17:12:17 GMT
Meanwhile, back in NI...
The UK has asked the EU to extend the three-month goods-inspection "transition" to 2023.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 4, 2021 19:01:29 GMT
Talking to colleagues in the excise goods shipping world, things are practically at a standstill everywhere as none of the small or medium businesses can find an agent who can get the paperwork accepted by the antiquated CHIEF customs declaration system. Everyone is engaged in phoning each other asking if they can take on each other's jobs. I don't know how many customs agents have a working system, but nobody we know.
Here in Belgium on our ind. est. the last of the warehouse space has been taken by the second of two UK companies who import their products from China. Both distribute throughout Europe, but can't now ship piecemeal from the UK as they would be charged import tariffs on their Chinese stock twice, so they are setting up to receive their imports here for distribution, re-registered as EU companies. Looking at this situation and the current scarcity of storage space nationally, there may well be more money to be made as an agency to advise UK companies on registration and warehousing in Belgium if imp/ex to the UK remains blocked.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 4, 2021 20:19:39 GMT
A twitter thread on Brexit logistics issues reported in the Select Committee today: e.g. CEO Scottish food & drink: " This is not just a seafood issue. Our red meat grade volumes are sitting about 25-30% of normal. We can’t export fresh mince into the EU, we can’t trade live sheep to Northern Ireland, we can’t export seed potatoes to the EU...these are nightmarish consequences.” Still, it's not all bad - : " Speakers note that were it not for Covid and the fact that so much demands has been suppressed as a result of European hospitality being effectively shut down, that the new export system would have collapsed completely" i.e. thank goodness for COVID-19 Btw, I'm starting to form an impression that Scotland and to a larger extent N.Ireland have been thrown right under the bus with this agreement. Is that just me? Why can't the UK get more of the best Scottish meat and fish? I actually buy direct which is great, but seems daft that this is not easily available in the UK.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 4, 2021 22:38:43 GMT
Why can't the UK get more of the best Scottish meat and fish? I actually buy direct which is great, but seems daft that this is not easily available in the UK. Would certainly be great for everyone's health if more fresh fish was about and actually chosen. But the UK has always been a bit funny about fresh fish for some reason hasn't it? (assuming it hasn't changed in the while since I've been back!). I mean, I used to live in a very well-to-do market town in the SE but not a single fishmonger, seems ridiculous to me.
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Post by jlend on Feb 7, 2021 10:24:20 GMT
Why can't the UK get more of the best Scottish meat and fish? I actually buy direct which is great, but seems daft that this is not easily available in the UK. Would certainly be great for everyone's health if more fresh fish was about and actually chosen. But the UK has always been a bit funny about fresh fish for some reason hasn't it? (assuming it hasn't changed in the while since I've been back!). I mean, I used to live in a very well-to-do market town in the SE but not a single fishmonger, seems ridiculous to me. I expect it is a combination of cost, availability, historical, cultural, and lack of knowledge about what to do with it. I expect farmed salmon is one of the common ones. We have fish every other day usually, still have a fish monger van that comes down our road every week. Although no local fish monger we still have fresh fish counters in supermarkets in walking distance which are becoming less common. Also a fish monger on a market stall in the next town that always sells out early. Wider family has a static caravan on the coast in Norfolk we regularly use so fresh crab etc is a common meal up there from the Quay. Sales must be very seasonal up there. Like a lot of things I expect it is too early to say what difference Brexit will make.
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