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Post by alibaba on Jul 14, 2021 3:47:52 GMT
Hi danraj , I've looked at Rebs a couple of times in the past and decided against it. I don't keep records on platforms I've rejected so I'm not certain why, but recall that ISA fees were an issue for me. I also recall that the platform didn't work well on my android tablet. Anyway, since you've prompted me I decided to take another look. My initial thoughts are: There's obviously been a platform refresh since I last looked (can't remember when that was) and it's much more pleasing on the eye than I recall. Tick It seems to format correctly on my android tablet. Tick The initial thoughts on the mechanics of the platform from a fairly experienced P2P'er having lent on 35 different platforms is: "wow that looks complicated". That's not necessarily a problem for me; I quite enjoy digging in the weeds of a platform to see how it works, but I can see why less experienced or time-short lenders might give it a miss and move on to one of many other platforms. Yep, as I thought, those ISA fees are still there. I'm sure you will tell me that the fees are reasonable, but I'm not aware of any of the platforms I've tried so far charging a monthly ISA fee, and only ABLrate charges a transfer-in fee (and even they waive the fee if its over a certain amount). If I wanted to test the platform with a £1000 ISA transfer I'd need to earn 5.2% in the first year just to breakeven! The most concerning thing for me is the info on your stats page. There's no info as to what units Total Loss and Total Gains are measured in (I'm assuming £k). I think some text to describe these tables would be useful. Regardless, the combined figures show that Total Loss is roughly half the Total Gains. That tells me that one's returns are likely to be extremely variable, so having the necessary skills (or luck) to pick the good loans is key. That implies that it might need a considerable amount of time to allocate to loan DD. It certainly isn't the case that you can trust ReBs' risk assessment as the loans that you rate as the least risky (A+) have made the worst returns, I.e. 13.3% loss on average. That may be a little unfair as there are only 4 loans in that category, but even so! Stats for the last 18 months look encouraging, but is that just because defaults tend to happen later in a loan's life? There's a row at the top of the Overview By Risk Grade table that has no entry in the App Risk column. I couldn't work out what that represented. I am tempted to give ReBs a try with a small sum to take a look from inside the fence as I know others have had a reasonable return, but it probably won't be via an ISA. Excellent review Ace, who needs 4th way.
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Post by drphil on Jul 14, 2021 8:52:55 GMT
Excellent review Ace, who needs 4th way. Seconded. Thank you, Ace
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Post by Ace on Oct 1, 2021 13:55:54 GMT
Hi all, it's time for what is becoming a traditional quarterly update. Each quarter, as an avid P2P'er, I'm trying to add something (hopefully interesting) that I'm doing with my P2P portfolio. And also to provide an update on how the past quarter has gone. First things first: my overall all-time P2P XIRR has risen slightly from 7.52% to 7.56. As a recap, I had a highpoint of 35 platforms, which is far too many. P2P provides my main source of income, and will need to do so until my main pensions kick in in another 7 years time, so this is a serious hobby for me. l have a healthy emergency fund in PBs and some S&S global index fund investments that could come to my rescue if all goes wrong. I've recently been giving some thought to what my ideal mix of P2P platforms is, and to try and estimate what overall return that might produce. I've come up with the following list that would reduce my number of platforms to 14, so I'll be trying to move towards this position from now on. The "Target %" column gives the desired percentage of my P2P portfolio that I would like to have invested in that platform. The "Current XIRR" column states the all-time XIRR that I've achieved across all my accounts on that platform to date (i.e. combined Standard and ISA accounts). The "Target XIRR" column indicates my best estimate of what return I could achieve on that platform (some of these are very difficult to estimate, and may change over time, but with over 4 years experience I think I'll get most somewhere near right. Feel free to discuss or disagree. I expect many will😬). The order of platforms isn't relevant. It's actually the order of my current exposure to each platform from high to low. Platform | Target % | Current XIRR | Target XIRR |
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ABLrate | 16 | 11.7% | 11% | CrowdProperty | 14 | 5% | 7.5% | HNW Lending | 5 | 4.5% | 7.5% | Loanpad | 7 | 6.2% | 4.1% | AxiaFunder | 10 | 2.3% | 20% | Qardus | 10 | 18.5% | 20% | Proplend | 7 | 10% | 8% | Brickowner | 3 | 0.25% | 8% | Unbolted | 4 | 9.3% | 9% | Kuflink | 3 | 15.1% | 7% | CapitalRise | 4 | 5.7% | 7.5% | Landlordinvest | 3 | 9.8% | 9% | Connective Lending | 4 | 4.8% | 11% | Shojin | 10 | NA | 12% |
The capital weighted average using my Current XIRRs is 8.4%. The capital weighted average using my Target XIRRs would be 11%. I'd be a very happy bunny if I got anywhere near this. A main driver to the Target % is the likely ability to achieve the desired exposure at my required level of diversification. There are certainly platforms that I would have favoured more if I thought that I would be able to deploy more funds there. I've tried to allow for defaults where I think some are likely. There are good arguments for adding other platforms that I quite like to the above list, but I'm trying to reduce the number of platforms, and I'm trying to increase overall returns without making myself uncomfortable with the risk. A few notable missing platforms are: Assetz Capital - Currently new loan rates are too low for my perceived risk. I'm unhappy at their unwillingness to share the pain when loans go bad. Assetz Exchange - I feel that loans here have become overpriced, so I'm withdrawing income and repayments. SoMo - Loan rates have dropped too low. Recently a spate of second charge loans in 6% range. I'm also annoyed at them not paying out a referral bonus so far. ( EDIT: They have now apologised and paid the bonus, but it took way too many emails, many of which went ignored). Blend - Too much cash drag due to their crazy autoinvest mechanics. Why they don't recognise and fix this is beyond me. Uown - Too few loans. OnStep - Too few loans. One of the problems with my chosen platforms is an over-reliance on property based Lending, so a large property crash could put me in difficulties. The percentages invested in the various sectors would be: Property 56% Business (SMEs) 26% Litigation funding 10% Pawn 8% Let the discussions/arguments/downright mockery begin 😉
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Post by overthehill on Oct 1, 2021 14:40:15 GMT
Stalling or refusing payment of referral bonuses has to be one of the most visible red flags you can see as an investor, it amounts to click bait deception and investor contempt.
I won't be investing another penny in SOMO until I see some evidence to the contrary.
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Post by firedog on Oct 1, 2021 15:18:58 GMT
Stalling or refusing payment of referral bonuses has to be one of the most visible red flags you can see as an investor, it amounts to click bait deception and investor contempt. Contrary applies too. I remember getting my Loanpad bonus in my cash account on the morning of my anniversary of my first investment. Really impressed me.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 1, 2021 17:23:43 GMT
I don't see Elfin Market on your list, I thought you were in there or is the investment too small/new to include?
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Post by Ace on Oct 1, 2021 18:05:43 GMT
I don't see Elfin Market on your list, I thought you were in there or is the investment too small/new to include? It currently represents under 0.1% of my P2P pot, so yes it's too small to be of any significance. I'm happy to let it run, but I expect the returns to fall nearer to the quoted expectations, so ramping up my investment there would be a drag on my overall returns. I'll keep an eye on them to see how they progress. It still seems to be running smoothly, but there's far too little visibility of the the loans for my liking.
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Post by mah on Jan 11, 2022 15:17:21 GMT
Sorry. could someone post the link to the actual spreadsheet once again please. I know it is there somewhere, but can't find it.
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Post by Ace on Jan 11, 2022 16:56:00 GMT
Sorry. could someone post the link to the actual spreadsheet once again please. I know it is there somewhere, but can't find it.
Did you post this in the intended thread mah? If so, I don't know which spreadsheet you're referring to.
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Post by mah on Jan 17, 2022 10:28:13 GMT
Sorry Ace, probably in the wrong thread. I am looking for the Spreadsheet that Calculates the XIRR or % Returns from Investments with the Formulae (so that I don't have to create one with a new Formula).
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Post by Ace on Jan 17, 2022 11:02:35 GMT
Sorry Ace, probably in the wrong thread. I am looking for the Spreadsheet that Calculates the XIRR or % Returns from Investments with the Formulae (so that I don't have to create one with a new Formula).
There's a thread on calculating XIRRs here p2pindependentforum.com/post/108511/thread. Happy to help if you can't make it work.
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Post by mah on Jan 17, 2022 12:22:42 GMT
Spot on Ace. Thanks a lot. I read this and thought that I saved it, but haven't :-( I'll try it later and come back to you in case I need help.
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Post by mah on Jan 23, 2022 13:27:00 GMT
OK - giving it a go now. So, we are just inputting the Investments into the Platform from Bank (current account) and Withdrawals from the Platform to the Bank - ignoring any Interests paid in (earned) or Loan Redemptions or even secondary Market sales ?
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Post by mah on Jan 23, 2022 13:49:19 GMT
Hmm, it doesn't populate the I3. Initially, the Col B was Currency. Even after changing to Number, it gives an error (#NUM!). I can send you the S/S by PM, if that helps.
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Post by tallsuk on Jan 23, 2022 13:56:59 GMT
Hmm, it doesn't populate the I3. Initially, the Col B was Currency. Even after changing to Number, it gives an error (#NUM!). I can send you the S/S by PM, if that helps.
I have had the same #NUM error in I3 but the error seems to be linked to cell B13. I have not had a time to investigate it properly though.
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