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Post by registerme on Feb 26, 2021 19:04:28 GMT
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Post by macq on Feb 26, 2021 19:33:40 GMT
Maybe they should put them in charge of the FCA
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Post by michaelc on Feb 26, 2021 20:07:17 GMT
I don’t know what they teach in accounting these days. Ok, nor do I know what they taught back in the day! But I doubt it says anywhere in an accounting module that FCA authorisation is a guarantee of not going into administration. There are no guarantees of not going into administration, but some things do reduce the imminent likelihood. Four helpful ones are profitability, strong balance sheet, large cash positions, access to additional capital. I’ve never looked at THC until today but if the main company is THE HOUSE CROWD LIMITED (co number 07893395) then it’s not very reassuring that they’ve always lodged the scantiest accounts information they can get away with and as late as possible. Most recent unaudited abridged accounts are to 31/05/2019. At that point net assets were circa £1.1m with 40% in cash and 60% in debtors. But that’s getting on for nearly two years ago. Of course there are no guarantees. There are no guarantees of my stock broker going bust either but how many out of the total have done so? And how many p2p platforms have gone bust? Just take a look on this website how many are running and how many have gone bust. And are you suggesting a retail investor should do night classes in accountancy and then research any _platform_ before they invest on it?
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Post by michaelc on Feb 26, 2021 20:17:42 GMT
Just watched it (up to Debroah's verdict so far). Very interesting that she thought the main risk was the property market being iliquid and fluctuating and that people wouldn't realise that. I suspect many investors here (certainly myself) shared that view and we did realise that risk. Sadly its completely wrong as the risk of the platform is a much bigger risk and that is something you would have thought regulation could solve but they're nowhere near to doing so.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 26, 2021 20:29:58 GMT
I don’t know what they teach in accounting these days. Ok, nor do I know what they taught back in the day! But I doubt it says anywhere in an accounting module that FCA authorisation is a guarantee of not going into administration. There are no guarantees of not going into administration, but some things do reduce the imminent likelihood. Four helpful ones are profitability, strong balance sheet, large cash positions, access to additional capital. I’ve never looked at THC until today but if the main company is THE HOUSE CROWD LIMITED (co number 07893395) then it’s not very reassuring that they’ve always lodged the scantiest accounts information they can get away with and as late as possible. Most recent unaudited abridged accounts are to 31/05/2019. At that point net assets were circa £1.1m with 40% in cash and 60% in debtors. But that’s getting on for nearly two years ago. Of course there are no guarantees. There are no guarantees of my stock broker going bust either but how many out of the total have done so? And how many p2p platforms have gone bust? Just take a look on this website how many are running and how many have gone bust. And are you suggesting a retail investor should do night classes in accountancy and then research any _platform_ before they invest on it? More than you think ... probably about the same number as P2P platforms in the last couple of years ... SVS, Beaufort Securities, Reyker Securities, AFX Markets ... though probably out of a bigger pool
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 26, 2021 20:31:01 GMT
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Post by registerme on Feb 26, 2021 21:43:01 GMT
Just watched it (up to Debroah's verdict so far). Very interesting that she thought the main risk was the property market being iliquid and fluctuating and that people wouldn't realise that. I suspect many investors here (certainly myself) shared that view and we did realise that risk. Sadly its completely wrong as the risk of the platform is a much bigger risk and that is something you would have thought regulation could solve but they're nowhere near to doing so. Yup, and something I've discussed many times on this forum. iirc one of my first "serious" posts here was about platform risk... EDIT: and the second(ish) was about property development lending
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Post by macq on Feb 26, 2021 21:50:07 GMT
Talking of platform risk but from search results done to night it would seem that HC did or were due to use AMSX (not sure if it came to pass) but it does make me wonder about integrated loans across platforms which seems to be the long term goal and the mess it might create in cases like this
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 26, 2021 21:54:01 GMT
Of course there are no guarantees. There are no guarantees of my stock broker going bust either but how many out of the total have done so? And how many p2p platforms have gone bust? Just take a look on this website how many are running and how many have gone bust. And are you suggesting a retail investor should do night classes in accountancy and then research any _ platform_ before they invest on it? michaelc Are you suggesting retail lenders should invest in fintech-alchemy without any understanding of - the industry with no track record, - the industry the new boys are pretending to be better than, - the start-up platforms with nil capital adequacy and nil retail financial services experience, - debt and the companies they are lending to or the industries those companies are in? michaelc is that what you did? Waxing lyrical on forums is no substitute for understanding. Nor is having an annual poll. Understanding how to read P&L and Balance sheets is just a small fraction of the knowledge required to be involved in private debt through start up platforms in an industry that has many flaws. But hey it’s all someone else’s fault when it doesn’t work out. Some very valid points - now captured for posterity Glad you managed to find a P2P relevant thread to comment on in amongst all the chat (obviously noone will have clue what Im taking about due to Mission Impossible protocols.
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Post by registerme on Feb 26, 2021 21:54:53 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 26, 2021 21:55:49 GMT
Just watched it (up to Debroah's verdict so far). Very interesting that she thought the main risk was the property market being iliquid and fluctuating and that people wouldn't realise that. I suspect many investors here (certainly myself) shared that view and we did realise that risk. Sadly its completely wrong as the risk of the platform is a much bigger risk and that is something you would have thought regulation could solve but they're nowhere near to doing so. You do realise is was reportedly all staged, THC were invited on and didnt want the investment anyway - allegedly
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Post by iRobot on Feb 26, 2021 22:27:28 GMT
>> That's an interesting - if brief - discussion. Sadly, in the five-and-a-half years that have since past, about the only thing that has changed is that the number of failed platforms has increased. Can it go on like this for another five years? Or even two?
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Post by adrianc on Feb 26, 2021 22:36:35 GMT
ilmoro "The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting." Drowned out by cries of Hail Frazer, Hail Frazer! Et tu, administrators?
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Post by registerme on Feb 26, 2021 22:49:01 GMT
That's an interesting - if brief - discussion. Yes, there was little appetite for it at the time. Too many people were too focussed on the magic 12% .
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Post by michaelc on Feb 26, 2021 23:04:26 GMT
Just watched it (up to Debroah's verdict so far). Very interesting that she thought the main risk was the property market being iliquid and fluctuating and that people wouldn't realise that. I suspect many investors here (certainly myself) shared that view and we did realise that risk. Sadly its completely wrong as the risk of the platform is a much bigger risk and that is something you would have thought regulation could solve but they're nowhere near to doing so. You do realise is was reportedly all staged, THC were invited on and didnt want the investment anyway - allegedly How would I realise that? How would you realise it ?
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