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Post by adrianc on Mar 25, 2021 19:18:10 GMT
Seems clear enough to me. Yep. The government said they weren't going to pay any more. The same government who said the Beeb couldn't afford to do it.
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Post by littleoldlady on Mar 26, 2021 9:09:57 GMT
Seems clear enough to me. Yep. The government said they weren't going to pay any more. The same government who said the Beeb couldn't afford to do it. That's simply not true. The government have been consistent in expecting the BBC to absorb the cost. The committee you refer to consists of MPs of various parties and is certainly not the government. They also appear to be singularly ignorant about TV broadcasting judging by their conclusion that our broadband is not good enough to allow the licence to be replaced by subscription, which may be true but is irrelevant. Anyway that's my last word on the subject. It is pointless trying to have a constructive discussion with someone who thinks that anyone who does not share his opinions is - using your word - a lunatic.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2021 9:26:08 GMT
Yep. The government said they weren't going to pay any more. The same government who said the Beeb couldn't afford to do it. That's simply not true. The government have been consistent in expecting the BBC to absorb the cost. Exactly. A cost the government previously covered. The DCMS select committee is not part of the government of this country... committees.parliament.uk/committee/378/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/No, it seems a perfectly accurate statement to me. Round here, we have plenty of people who have no telephone-line broadband available. No, not even slow ADSL. Satellite or mobile (if you have a signal - many don't). A move to a digital subscription model (a la netflix/prime) would simply not work. It would remove broadcast completely for many. It's equally pointless trying to debate with somebody who so deliberately misinterprets a perfectly clear statement. If you are saying you agree with Nigel Lawson on climate change, then - yes - I view you as the lunatic fringe. However, that does not apply to everybody who does not share my opinions. In case you've forgotten, Ofcom upheld complaints against the BBC for not being impartial enough... by not challenging Lawson's lies adequately. www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/09/bbc-radio-4-broke-impartiality-rules-in-nigel-lawson-climate-change-interview
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Post by mikeb on Apr 4, 2021 16:51:45 GMT
What a weird view. Why not make the first 120 cubic metres part of the standing charge? Also why should the taxpayer pay me for using less than 120 cubic metres? (that's not a rhetorical question). Have you thought that some households have more than one occupant? Fairness, which i assume your suggesting would only be fair if it was based on the amount of occupants. As an aside every house has to have a meter but for now they can choose on wherever to be charged per cubic metre. We can't have a meter as we have a shared supply outside the house and there is no space to put a meter by our stopcock in the house. Someone came out to look and said no chance. In which case have you enquired about going on to the third option, which is like being on a meter, with estimated usage driving the bill instead of the meter? Should still save you money over the "rateable system" of big numbers plucked out of thin air.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 5, 2021 5:51:42 GMT
We can't have a meter as we have a shared supply outside the house and there is no space to put a meter by our stopcock in the house. Someone came out to look and said no chance. In which case have you enquired about going on to the third option, which is like being on a meter, with estimated usage driving the bill instead of the meter? Should still save you money over the "rateable system" of big numbers plucked out of thin air. I thought that's what we had, so many people in the house, so much assumed per person or something such. Or is there a more subtle approach?
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Post by benaj on Apr 5, 2021 6:42:14 GMT
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Post by Nomad on Apr 6, 2021 7:08:17 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Apr 6, 2021 8:13:40 GMT
Non-story. Tabloid kiss-and-tell simply revisiting previous allegations that the police investigation found did not warrant prosecution, now back with the GLA's in-house investigation. B'sides, "Boris likes a shag, and isn't picky where" is not exactly a major revelation, is it?
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Post by agent69 on Apr 6, 2021 9:17:48 GMT
Non-story. Tabloid kiss-and-tell simply revisiting previous allegations that the police investigation found did not warrant prosecution, now back with the GLA's in-house investigation. B'sides, "Boris likes a shag, and isn't picky where" is not exactly a major revelation, is it? These are the sort of stories I can do without.
I still can't get over the image of the Mellorphant man getting jiggi with Antonia De Sanchez while wearing his Chelsea kit.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 6, 2021 9:21:55 GMT
Non-story. Tabloid kiss-and-tell simply revisiting previous allegations that the police investigation found did not warrant prosecution, now back with the GLA's in-house investigation. B'sides, "Boris likes a shag, and isn't picky where" is not exactly a major revelation, is it? These are the sort of stories I can do without.
I still can't get over the image of the Mellorphant man getting jiggi with Antonia De Sanchez while wearing his Chelsea kit.
Major and Eggwina. Two Jabs and his secretary. etc, etc, etc. And, of course, a certain gammon-hued-yet-foreign-surnamed MP who (purely coincidentally) went seriously awol about the same time as rape allegations were being investigated before reappearing the instant they were dropped.
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Post by keitha on Apr 6, 2021 10:59:09 GMT
Ah, the over-75 licence shenanigans... Question for you. No cheating. Who was it who got rid of the free licence for over-75s not in receipt of pension credit? So I haven't cheated and therefore might be wrong, but my recollection is that the government said they would not pay for it and so the BBC reinstated the fee against the government's wishes. Now a committee of MPs have said that the licence fee will have to remain because of a lack of broadband infrastructure. Clearly they have never heard of a set top box as used by Sky for several decades. Now my son happens to live in a pleasant leafy area with lots of trees, Sky signal can't be picked up because of the Trees, where I live the people in the valley can't get SKY because the mountain blocks line of sight, yes one guy has attached a 30 foot scaffold pole to the end of the house and the dish is mounted on that. a good half of the people down there can't get terrestrial because the aerial can't get a signal, so I suppose they don't count
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Post by littleoldlady on Apr 6, 2021 16:34:46 GMT
So I haven't cheated and therefore might be wrong, but my recollection is that the government said they would not pay for it and so the BBC reinstated the fee against the government's wishes. Now a committee of MPs have said that the licence fee will have to remain because of a lack of broadband infrastructure. Clearly they have never heard of a set top box as used by Sky for several decades. Now my son happens to live in a pleasant leafy area with lots of trees, Sky signal can't be picked up because of the Trees, where I live the people in the valley can't get SKY because the mountain blocks line of sight, yes one guy has attached a 30 foot scaffold pole to the end of the house and the dish is mounted on that. a good half of the people down there can't get terrestrial because the aerial can't get a signal, so I suppose they don't count Sky is broadcast by satellite so needs a dish with line of sight, but the BBC is broadcast from regional land based transmitters. My reference to Sky relates only to the use of cheap set top boxes to allow a subscription service. The funding method is completely unrelated to the reception technology. This is the same error as made by the committee of MPs. If you live in a valley and can't get a BBC signal now why on earth should you be forced to buy a licence in order to watch any TV?
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Post by agent69 on Apr 6, 2021 17:10:11 GMT
So I haven't cheated and therefore might be wrong, but my recollection is that the government said they would not pay for it and so the BBC reinstated the fee against the government's wishes. Now a committee of MPs have said that the licence fee will have to remain because of a lack of broadband infrastructure. Clearly they have never heard of a set top box as used by Sky for several decades. Now my son happens to live in a pleasant leafy area with lots of trees, Sky signal can't be picked up because of the Trees, where I live the people in the valley can't get SKY because the mountain blocks line of sight, yes one guy has attached a 30 foot scaffold pole to the end of the house and the dish is mounted on that. a good half of the people down there can't get terrestrial because the aerial can't get a signal, so I suppose they don't count The satellite that broadcasts Sky TV is about 22,000 miles above the equator (somewhere over Kenya), and you need to point your dish upwards at about 24 deg to align with it. They must be awful close to the mountain if it's blocking their line of sight.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 7, 2021 9:12:22 GMT
My reference to Sky relates only to the use of cheap set top boxes to allow a subscription service. Ancient Sky STBs simply checked the card's validity against a generic signal broadcast from the satellite. It was trivially easy to forge cards. Vaguely modern ones check the validity online...
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Post by littleoldlady on Apr 7, 2021 14:41:01 GMT
My reference to Sky relates only to the use of cheap set top boxes to allow a subscription service. Ancient Sky STBs simply checked the card's validity against a generic signal broadcast from the satellite. It was trivially easy to forge cards. Vaguely modern ones check the validity online... Which would be higher, non-payment through use of a forged card, or non-payment through not buying a licence?
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