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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2021 13:38:46 GMT
I'd hesitate to call that an "article". It's a Patrick o'Flynn opinion piece. Who is Patrick o'Flynn? He's an ex-UKIP MEP, and former political editor of the Daily Express.
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Post by registerme on Mar 26, 2021 13:39:49 GMT
Why is the article "tripe"? 1. I disagree with the Orwell comments. All of them. That makes them a poor foundation on which to write an article. 2. There's been a "decades long effort to impose a new flag on our country"? Really? In what fantasy existence? 3. I see no rejection, "political" or otherwise, of our history and heritage, and I see no drive to be ashamed of it. I do see a movement to contextualise our history, and I think that is a good thing. 4. As with "... Britain is a bad country". 5. Where is this notion that "national borders are regressive entities"? Who is promulgating it? 6. No evidence provided to support the notion that "These views are common on university campuses and among the higher reaches of the public sector Left". Sounds like complete codswallop to me. 7. The little dig at "progressive activists" is pathetic. It's just one long dog whistle.
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Post by ozboy on Mar 26, 2021 13:48:50 GMT
Why is the article "tripe"? 1. I disagree with the Orwell comments. All of them. That makes them a poor foundation on which to write an article. 2. There's been a "decades long effort to impose a new flag on our country"? Really? In what fantasy existence? 3. I see no rejection, "political" or otherwise, of our history and heritage, and I see no drive to be ashamed of it. I do see a movement to contextualise our history, and I think that is a good thing.4. As with "... Britain is a bad country". 5. Where is this notion that "national borders are regressive entities"? Who is promulgating it? 6. No evidence provided to support the notion that "These views are common on university campuses and among the higher reaches of the public sector Left". Sounds like complete codswallop to me.7. The little dig at "progressive activists" is pathetic. It's just one long dog whistle. 3 and 6 in particular. Really?
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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2021 14:11:52 GMT
The "imposition" is clearly referring to the EU flag... which every other member flies alongside the national and regional flags.
I wonder if the 85:15 figure was plucked out of his backside?
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 26, 2021 14:16:32 GMT
And hadn't 2. pretty much succeeded in Scotland, courtesy of Ms Sturgeon? Before this latest decree to fly the Union Jack, hadn't she ordered Scotland to fly the EU stars in its place?
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Post by james100 on Mar 26, 2021 14:44:37 GMT
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Post by keitha on Mar 26, 2021 14:50:40 GMT
I think Local Authority staff tend to reflect the public of the area and the political Leadership.
The Shire counties tend to be more conservative, and the metropolitan areas Left wing.
I think that it's a top down thing the Councillors are involved in the selection of the Chief Exec etc and tend to pick people with similar views, they in turn tend to be involved in the selection of other senior officers.
personally I think this works except where you get a regular change of leadership ie the few swing Authorities, where the incoming leadership will often try to get rid of the top officers .
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Post by keitha on Mar 26, 2021 14:52:29 GMT
The "imposition" is clearly referring to the EU flag... which every other member flies alongside the national and regional flags. I wonder if the 85:15 figure was plucked out of his backside? surely that's every member flies alongside, we are no longer in the EU
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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2021 14:55:14 GMT
And hadn't 2. pretty much succeeded in Scotland, courtesy of Ms Sturgeon? Before this latest decree to fly the Union Jack, hadn't she ordered Scotland to fly the EU stars in its place? Umm, are you suggesting that the Saltire is anything but the long-established flag of Scotland? As the flag of Scotland, it predates the Union Flag as the UK's flag... because it predates the UK. By nearly two centuries. Back when Scotland was a country, before it became a region of the UK.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 26, 2021 15:20:08 GMT
And hadn't 2. pretty much succeeded in Scotland, courtesy of Ms Sturgeon? Before this latest decree to fly the Union Jack, hadn't she ordered Scotland to fly the EU stars in its place? Umm, are you suggesting that the Saltire is anything but the long-established flag of Scotland? As the flag of Scotland, it predates the Union Flag as the UK's flag... because it predates the UK. By nearly two centuries. Back when Scotland was a country, before it became a region of the UK. Erm pretty sure it still is a country, not a region. And Im pretty sure the flag of Scotland doesnt predate the Union flag as the UKs flag as the UK didnt exist, and actually it didnt exist after the Union as the country was Great Britain, not becoming the UK until the Union with Ireland. The Union flag dates for 1606, though it wasnt the flag of the country as England & Scotland remained separate countries. First 'UK flag' was under Cromwell but abandoned after 2 years on Restoration. The Scottish government of course in 2009 decreed that the Saltaire should fly on govt buildings every day except days when a specific flag is designated to be flown instead (single pole, double pole, everyday with EU flag if another not specified) The is no requirement for the Scots to fly the Union Flag as national flags are permitted instead. www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2017/01/flag-flying/documents/flag-flying-guidance/flag-flying-guidance/govscot%3Adocument/Scottish%2BGovernment%2Bflag%2Bflying%2Bguidance%2B2021.pdf
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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2021 15:43:12 GMT
Umm, are you suggesting that the Saltire is anything but the long-established flag of Scotland? As the flag of Scotland, it predates the Union Flag as the UK's flag... because it predates the UK. By nearly two centuries. Back when Scotland was a country, before it became a region of the UK. Erm pretty sure it still is a country, not a region. I must have missed IndyRef2... Was it a big majority? No great surprise. Yup, the Saltire goes back to the 16th century. Exactly... 1603 - James adds the crown of England & Wales to Scotland, sellotapes Andy and George into the Union Flag. 1707, 1801 - Acts of Union, ending up in the UK, 1922 - RoI's off, and we're at the current borders. <thinks> 1603-1707-1801-1922... 202x? Hundred-ish year intervals, we're about due for another change to the borders.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 26, 2021 15:43:32 GMT
And hadn't 2. pretty much succeeded in Scotland, courtesy of Ms Sturgeon? Before this latest decree to fly the Union Jack, hadn't she ordered Scotland to fly the EU stars in its place? Umm, are you suggesting that the Saltire is anything but the long-established flag of Scotland? As the flag of Scotland, it predates the Union Flag as the UK's flag... because it predates the UK. By nearly two centuries. Back when Scotland was a country, before it became a region of the UK. Saltire? I'm referring to her plan to fly the 'EU stars' flag every day in place of the Union Jack. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1399803/Nicola-sturgeon-news-eu-flag-union-jack-snp-Brexit-latest-scotland
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 26, 2021 15:51:13 GMT
Erm pretty sure it still is a country, not a region. I must have missed IndyRef2... Was it a big majority? No great surprise. Yup, the Saltire goes back to the 16th century. Exactly... 1603 - James adds the crown of England & Wales to Scotland, sellotapes Andy and George into the Union Flag. 1707, 1801 - Acts of Union, ending up in the UK, 1922 - RoI's off, and we're at the current borders. <thinks> 1603-1707-1801-1922... 202x? Hundred-ish year intervals, we're about due for another change to the borders. Scotland is a country within the UK. The Saltaire couldnt be the UKs flag because the UK didnt exist. Doesnt matter if it dates from 832 it still couldnt predate the Union Flag as the UKs flag!
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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2021 15:59:25 GMT
I must have missed IndyRef2... Was it a big majority? No great surprise. Scotland is a country within the UK. Ah, the Matroshka approach to countries... Alternatively... Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.<looks briefly baffled> <light dawns> Ah, I see... Obviously I didn't mean that the Saltire was the UK's flag. That would be silly. What I meant was that the Saltire has been Scotland's flag longer than the UF has been the UK's flag.
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Post by registerme on Mar 26, 2021 16:20:55 GMT
Well, with all this talk of Scotland, this half-English half-Irish all British Londoner will be supporting Scotland v France tonight.
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