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Post by alender on Apr 13, 2021 11:29:39 GMT
If the last 12 months are profitable for AC this can only have come from the lender fees and Government loan schemes. I suspect once the loan support from Government ends we will then see the true state of AC and it's loan book. However I suspect the Government will carry on a reduced support for a time after the end of Covid.
One thing is certain in that the non Government funded AC loan book will be greatly reduced as the result of Covid and AC actions during this period, although new money is coming in it is not nearly enough to remove the exit queue which is going down mostly as result of repayments. Perhaps the Ratesetter money will arrive at some point but no sign of much coming through at present. One real problem for AC is that they will need to find good loans and new investors to replace the large lenders that left AC due to the flat rate distribution, I cannot see these coming back anytime soon. From the posts and what I have learnt over the last year the larger investors are the ones most upset with AC and either leaving or left and the smaller investors or those with no significant money in AAs are happier with AC. As I said before if AC are happy to lose the large investors and replace with a number of smaller ones that is fine if it works. However the lender fees, constant changes to rules of the AAs and in particular these latest changes and exit fees do nothing to encourage new money. IMO one of the AAs greatest benefits is they were simple with access, so appealed to the investor who did not want to spend hours going into the rules and trying to factor in the cost of leaving etc, that has of course now gone. If AC want new investors money a carrot rather than a stick approach will work far better, how about a 0.125% increase in rate for any money held more than 6 months and 0.25% for money held more than a year in an account, this bonus is lost for repayments once the notice period expires or perhaps when notice is given to stop rolling requests followed by cancelling to achieve a reduced notice period for the 30D and 90D accounts.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Apr 13, 2021 11:31:56 GMT
So overall is the opinion that future investment in AC is good or a bad idea? I have been recycling my QAA into 30day. Is this a sensible move or is there something I've missed? Each to their own. But having been in a number of P2P platforms and timed my exit out of those perfectly unscathed (Lendy, FS, COL) I began running for the hills on AC about 60 days ago. The recent changes to the Access Accounts should tell you that the short-term redemptions time on a long term maturity dated loans is not a system that can stand upto scrutiny unless they either 1. Force (or coerce at this point) investors into "access" accounts with fees for actually taking advantage of "access" or 2. reducing the loans books maturity terms & introducing additional capital from institutional underwriters or other liquidity safeguards (at the cost of lenders or profit, but AC can ill afford it, who knows. They seem to have chosen to just punish lenders for this bit, again.) See Loanpad for an example of a system that did not restrict liquidity during COVID even though it reached £0 cash in its portfolio during the peak of the crisis in March. Such a pitful interest rate for huge amounts of risk in my opinion. But again, liquidity is my main concern, with ACs fees on access based products being so confusing to me. I only use Loan-Pad (the only P2P I'm in) to reduce my cash drag on my actual portfolio of equities.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Apr 13, 2021 11:56:10 GMT
So overall is the opinion that future investment in AC is good or a bad idea? I have been recycling my QAA into 30day. Is this a sensible move or is there something I've missed? Each to their individual circumstances and understanding. Make an informed decision and then own the decision. THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY IS THAT IMHO JOINING THE EXIT ACCOUNTS IS A BAD IDEA AND ONLY FOR THE BAT-SH!T-CRAZY. With reasonably high certainty I can also say, IMHO, that following the p2pindie crowd is usually sub-optimal. In fairness the Exit account is a big hole with a thin covering of straw surrounded by lots of signs saying 'Trap Beware' so presumably not really intended to be used? The 'bait ball' is gone, so the predators drift away the water settles and soon it is as if nothing ever really happened. Apart from a small occupied/unoccupied device on the toilet door, which probably should have been part of the initial installation?
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Post by iRobot on Apr 13, 2021 11:57:53 GMT
If the last 12 months are profitable for AC this can only have come from the lender fees and Government loan schemes. <snip> Only have come? Haven't done the sums but I suspect that enhanced monitoring fees and loan extension fees on the Borrower side will have made a noteworthy contribution.
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Post by mogish on Apr 13, 2021 12:00:30 GMT
See Loanpad for an example of a system that did not restrict liquidity during COVID even though it reached £0 cash in its portfolio during the peak of the crisis in March.
Thanks for the replies. Yes I'm in loanpad, I was considering switching over the AC cash although I originally opened a loanpad account to diversify after bringing my p2p investments into a more comfortable limit. A bit of thinking to do.
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Post by alanh on Apr 13, 2021 12:18:17 GMT
See Loanpad for an example of a system that did not restrict liquidity during COVID even though it reached £0 cash in its portfolio during the peak of the crisis in March. Thanks for the replies. Yes I'm in loanpad, I was considering switching over the AC cash although I originally opened a loanpad account to diversify after bringing my p2p investments into a more comfortable limit. A bit of thinking to do. Depends how desperate you are to get a return on your money. You can get roughly 1% in protected fixed savings accounts or NSANDI, or try to get an extra 2% at Assetz Capital but expose yourself to myriad extra risks such as: - limited/zero access to your money - extra fees being layered onto your account to keep the platform afloat - changes to account terms and conditions brought in without consultation at zero notice - money being taken out of your account and given away to other investors as AC sees fit - not to mention all the usual risks that come with P2P e.g. defaults, lack of provision funds, incorrect valuations etc etc 2% upside and 100% downside is not the sort of risk/reward profile that makes any sense to me whatsoever.
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Post by mogish on Apr 13, 2021 12:26:45 GMT
When you put it like that it does seem hardly worthwhile. P2p does seem to be on a downward spiral. It's funny how a few years ago when shopping around fixed term accounts, 3 and 4 % were considered terrible. Now shawbrook at 1% looks great!
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 13, 2021 12:34:41 GMT
If the last 12 months are profitable for AC this can only have come from the lender fees and Government loan schemes. <snip> Only have come? Haven't done the sums but I suspect that enhanced monitoring fees and loan extension fees on the Borrower side will have made a noteworthy contribution. Not to mention that any profit from govt schemes ie CBILS relates to a separate company.
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Post by ian on Apr 13, 2021 13:47:19 GMT
Only have come? Haven't done the sums but I suspect that enhanced monitoring fees and loan extension fees on the Borrower side will have made a noteworthy contribution. Not to mention that any profit from govt schemes ie CBILS relates to a separate company. Which company are you referring to ?? Neither Company number 05312193 or Company number 08007191
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 13, 2021 15:01:51 GMT
Not to mention that any profit from govt schemes ie CBILS relates to a separate company. Which company are you referring to ?? Neither of Company number 05312193 or Company number 08007191 12632494 AC Lending Ltd is the CBILS entity
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Post by ian on Apr 13, 2021 19:39:58 GMT
Which company are you referring to ?? Neither of Company number 05312193 or Company number 08007191 12632494 AC Lending Ltd is the CBILS entity Thanks for the info - so they have created a SPV to ring fence the new funds. I’m not sure how that leaves the existing business. It certainly potentially affords them the possibility of restructuring other parts of the group without endangering the government covered part.
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Post by iRobot on Apr 13, 2021 21:15:17 GMT
Thanks for the info - so they have created a SPV to ring fence the new funds. <snip>Might the creation of a separate entity have been a legal & operational requirement of the BBB; a necessity to be awarded accreditation? It seems a logical precaution for all parties to take.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 13, 2021 21:44:30 GMT
Thanks for the info - so they have created a SPV to ring fence the new funds. <snip>Might the creation of a separate entity have been a legal & operational requirement of the BBB; a necessity to be awarded accreditation? It seems a logical precaution for all parties to take. Quite possibly or it could just be AC create different entities for different activities. I wonder if ACL(Alpha) will be the entity for the CBILS replacement. Meanwhile despite their impeding demise the new lending masterplan proceeds- www.p2pfinancenews.co.uk/2021/04/13/assetz-capital-launches-new-bridging-product/
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Post by star dust on Apr 13, 2021 21:54:47 GMT
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