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Post by adrianc on Dec 17, 2021 10:17:43 GMT
Well, a couple of staunch lefties of my acquaintance have certainly demonstrated one thing this morning...
They don't mind too much about Starmer's Labour losing, because it proves Corbyn really was the second coming.
They seem to actually be sulking about tactical voting working.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 17, 2021 10:32:01 GMT
Sorry, but I can't take the Lib Dems seriously (if all the disaffected Tories had voted Labour it would be different).
Just another protest vote for a party that has been going nowhere for the last 50 years. I haven't heard Ed Davey yet, but no doub't he will be crowing about the victory. Hopefuly it won't be more cringeworthy that David Steel's 1981 Llandudno speech, or Jo Swinson's 2019 suggestion that she didn't wan't to talk about entering a coalition because she thought the Lib Dems could form the next government by themselves (and they ended up with 11 seats).
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Post by keitha on Dec 17, 2021 10:47:52 GMT
Sorry, but I can't take the Lib Dems seriously (if all the disaffected Tories had voted Labour it would be different).
Just another protest vote for a party that has been going nowhere for the last 50 years. I haven't heard Ed Davey yet, but no doub't he will be crowing about the victory. Hopefuly it won't be more cringeworthy that David Steel's 1981 Llandudno speech, or Jo Swinson's 2019 suggestion that she didn't wan't to talk about entering a coalition because she thought the Lib Dems could form the next government by themselves (and they ended up with 11 seats).
they won but total vote well down, given the Tories had a majority of 23000 last time out. By elections are well known for protest votes, But I hope it's a wakeup call. For me it's a warning to Labour that they are not seen as a party of government, and to the tories to clean up their act. Just been told by a friend that it was the fact that tories are racist and an asian candidate not winning was a clear sign of it !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 10:58:51 GMT
Sorry, but I can't take the Lib Dems seriously (if all the disaffected Tories had voted Labour it would be different). Wow, a party you don't take seriously just caused a 30,000 vote swing in an area held by the Tories for 200 years. Imagine what a serious party could have achieved 
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Post by agent69 on Dec 17, 2021 12:54:41 GMT
Sorry, but I can't take the Lib Dems seriously (if all the disaffected Tories had voted Labour it would be different). Wow, a party you don't take seriously just caused a 30,000 vote swing in an area held by the Tories for 200 years. Imagine what a serious party could have achieved It's a party that nobody takes seriously.
Is it any different to Ribble Valley in 1991? There was a poll tax revolt and the Lib Dems won the seat. The following year at the general election it went back to the Conservatives, where it's remained ever since.
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Post by keitha on Dec 17, 2021 13:05:14 GMT
How do you get a 30000 swing ?
in 2019 35,444 voted tory, 12495 labour, 5643 lib dem
in 2021 12032 Tory, 3,686 labour, 17597 Lib Dem
As I see it Tories didn't turn out as a protest and a lot of Labour switched to Lib Dem.
had it been important ( ie General election or a small overall majority in the commons ) I believe the tories would have turned out and they'd have won
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Post by corto on Dec 17, 2021 13:12:46 GMT
A Sikh friend of ours used to do a Spam curry but I'm afraid I don't have a recipe if you want to try it. why would one need a recipe? All stews are equal
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Post by corto on Dec 17, 2021 13:18:56 GMT
Sorry, but I can't take the Lib Dems seriously (if all the disaffected Tories had voted Labour it would be different). Wow, a party you don't take seriously just caused a 30,000 vote swing in an area held by the Tories for 200 years. Imagine what a serious party could have achieved I'd say it was the tories that caused the swing. I'd also say don't underestimate your enemies. This libdem victory may stay for some time.
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Post by corto on Dec 17, 2021 13:22:58 GMT
How do you get a 30000 swing ? in 2019 35,444 voted tory, 12495 labour, 5643 lib dem in 2021 12032 Tory, 3,686 labour, 17597 Lib Dem As I see it Tories didn't turn out as a protest and a lot of Labour switched to Lib Dem. had it been important ( ie General election or a small overall majority in the commons ) I believe the tories would have turned out and they'd have won Various news items said tories won 24000 last time and libdems won 6000 this time. That's 30000. Sure, if it really counts the English prefer self-harm over necessary change.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 17, 2021 13:47:40 GMT
Is it any different to Ribble Valley in 1991? There was a poll tax revolt and the Lib Dems won the seat. The following year at the general election it went back to the Conservatives, where it's remained ever since. Brecon and Radnor, 2019. Tory MP convicted of defrauding his expenses, fails recall referendum. LDs win seat. Four months later, Tories win it back at GE... Depressing, isn't it? People have short memories, and cannot see past the colour of the ribbon.
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Post by registerme on Dec 17, 2021 16:33:22 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Dec 17, 2021 16:53:33 GMT
Is it any different to Ribble Valley in 1991? There was a poll tax revolt and the Lib Dems won the seat. The following year at the general election it went back to the Conservatives, where it's remained ever since. Brecon and Radnor, 2019. Tory MP convicted of defrauding his expenses, fails recall referendum. LDs win seat. Four months later, Tories win it back at GE... Depressing, isn't it? People have short memories, and cannot see past the colour of the ribbon.
'around here if you pinned a (insert preferred colour here) rosette on a monkey the locals would vote for it'
Sad but true
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Post by adrianc on Dec 17, 2021 16:55:25 GMT
Brecon and Radnor, 2019. Tory MP convicted of defrauding his expenses, fails recall referendum. LDs win seat. Four months later, Tories win it back at GE... Depressing, isn't it? People have short memories, and cannot see past the colour of the ribbon.'around here if you pinned a (insert preferred colour here) rosette on a monkey the locals would vote for it'
Sad but true
Blue rosette on a sheep round here... It'd do a better job, too.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 17, 2021 17:06:00 GMT
that could be straight out of NewsThump
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Post by keitha on Dec 17, 2021 18:02:15 GMT
'around here if you pinned a (insert preferred colour here) rosette on a monkey the locals would vote for it'
Sad but true
Blue rosette on a sheep round here... It'd do a better job, too. red rosette on a pig here at the last senedd election out local AM had been caught drinking during lockdown and his vote went up
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