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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 7, 2023 17:49:06 GMT
"The European drugs regulator says it does not want a purpose-built red-light district near its post-Brexit headquarters in Amsterdam. [...]
The EMA moved its headquarters to Amsterdam's southern Zuidas district in 2019 after the UK left the EU".
Are they seriously trying to blame Brexit for this?  Well yes. You do know that the European Medicines Agency was headquartered in London prior to Brexit right ? With certain benefits that bought to the UK skills base. Ah no, obviously you didn't. So moving out of the UK was a direct result of Brexit, so that is entirely factual reporting with as far as I can tell no judgemental view expressed. [Losing the EMA HQ was just another one of the Brexit benefits to be found in those sunlit uplands] LOL, except the new EMA HQ was opened there in 2019. A whole f our years later a row brews up because they might want to move a red light district adjacent to that HQ. In what way can that proposed move be pinned on Brexit? Did this report really need to mention the "post-Brexit" angle at all? The later explanation for why the HQ was moved there ("after the UK left the EU") was more than sufficient. Mentioning it twice seems mischievous at best, if not outright biased and pejorative.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 7, 2023 18:22:11 GMT
Well yes. You do know that the European Medicines Agency was headquartered in London prior to Brexit right ? With certain benefits that bought to the UK skills base. Ah no, obviously you didn't. So moving out of the UK was a direct result of Brexit, so that is entirely factual reporting with as far as I can tell no judgemental view expressed. [Losing the EMA HQ was just another one of the Brexit benefits to be found in those sunlit uplands] LOL, except the new EMA HQ was opened there in 2019. A whole f our years later a row brews up because they might want to move a red light district adjacent to that HQ. In what way can that proposed move be pinned on Brexit? Did this report really need to mention the "post-Brexit" angle at all? The later explanation for why the HQ was moved there ("after the UK left the EU") was more than sufficient. Mentioning it twice seems mischievous at best, if not outright biased and pejorative. but we both know that wasn't your actual point. Your actual point was about the move of the HQ from the UK being post brext: which is why that is what you highlighted, not the bit about the red light district being moved adjacent to the HQ. If you had meant that being the bit being blamed, you would have highlighted accordingly  And the only mention of brexit in the article was in relation of the move of the HQ to Amsterdam, not the move of the red light district within Amesterdam. Just so we are clear EDIT: or of course you may have always meant to be referring to the move of the "Erotic District" (what a wonderful phrase) but perhaps just didn't highlight more accurately/appropriately/sufficiently clearly.
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Post by keitha on Mar 7, 2023 19:30:26 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 7, 2023 19:35:48 GMT
LOL, except the new EMA HQ was opened there in 2019. A whole f our years later a row brews up because they might want to move a red light district adjacent to that HQ. In what way can that proposed move be pinned on Brexit? Did this report really need to mention the "post-Brexit" angle at all? The later explanation for why the HQ was moved there ("after the UK left the EU") was more than sufficient. Mentioning it twice seems mischievous at best, if not outright biased and pejorative. but we both know that wasn't your actual point. Your actual point was about the move of the HQ from the UK being post brext: which is why that is what you highlighted, not the bit about the red light district being moved adjacent to the HQ. If you had meant that being the bit being blamed, you would have highlighted accordingly And the only mention of brexit in the article was in relation of the move of the HQ to Amsterdam, not the move of the red light district within Amesterdam. Just so we are clear EDIT: or of course you may have always meant to be referring to the move of the "Erotic District" (what a wonderful phrase) but perhaps just didn't highlight more accurately/appropriately/sufficiently clearly. No, it wasn't. I wasn't even aware the HQ had moved from the UK until you mentioned it. Yours is a very abstruse interpretation of what I've written, if I may say. My point was always about the undue emphasis being placed on Brexit in this report, when it actually concerns a brand new row that any reasonable person would say has nothing to do with Brexit in any substantive sense. That's why I highlighted the Brexit references in my first post. PS. There were two mentions of Brexit in the article, not one. See both highlighted in my first post. Just so we are clear.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 7, 2023 19:55:20 GMT
The headline is amusing in its own way, but why was this guy even out of prison? With 33 previous convictions for sex offences, they are STILL letting him out early on licence. Will the parole board never learn? "In 2021 he was jailed for 22 months after he was caught exposing himself near a group of teenage girls sunbathing on a beach at Barry Island. He was freed from prison in October 2021". Sounds like he served no more than half that sentence then. A different offence, receives 12 months inside.... with 6 months of that granted outside on licence. After 33 convictions, not 3 or even 13, but 33. Staggering.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 7, 2023 20:08:42 GMT
The headline is amusing in its own way, but why was this guy even out of prison? With 33 previous convictions for sex offences, they are STILL letting him out early on licence. Will the parole board never learn? "In 2021 he was jailed for 22 months after he was caught exposing himself near a group of teenage girls sunbathing on a beach at Barry Island. He was freed from prison in October 2021". Sounds like he served no more than half that sentence then. A different offence, receives 12 months inside.... with 6 months of that granted outside on licence. After 33 convictions, not 3 or even 13, but 33. Staggering. Not sure what all his offences were, but seems more like a nut, than a particular danger.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 7, 2023 20:17:49 GMT
The headline is amusing in its own way, but why was this guy even out of prison? With 33 previous convictions for sex offences, they are STILL letting him out early on licence. Will the parole board never learn? "In 2021 he was jailed for 22 months after he was caught exposing himself near a group of teenage girls sunbathing on a beach at Barry Island. He was freed from prison in October 2021". Sounds like he served no more than half that sentence then. A different offence, receives 12 months inside.... with 6 months of that granted outside on licence. After 33 convictions, not 3 or even 13, but 33. Staggering. Not sure what all his offences were, but seems more like a nut, than a particular danger. two of his offences involved children. According to this dated report anyway... metro.co.uk/2021/02/08/man-jailed-for-stuffing-courgette-down-his-leggings-and-stroking-it-14045808/
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Post by overthehill on Mar 7, 2023 21:14:21 GMT
"The European drugs regulator says it does not want a purpose-built red-light district near its post-Brexit headquarters in Amsterdam. [...]
The EMA moved its headquarters to Amsterdam's southern Zuidas district in 2019 after the UK left the EU".
Are they seriously trying to blame Brexit for this? The reporter clearly hasn't read the BBC all hands memo that everything from now on is Elon Musk's fault. 
Not nearly as mad as it sounds. He is as dangerous as anyone in the world and in a non-apartheid democracy, unlike where he grew up, he totally believes that money trumps justice and the law. He's probably glad that he's not a russian oligarch although Putler might wish he was given that his massive brain has made room to become a military expert as well. I'm looking forward to his fall in true reggie perrin style.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 8, 2023 7:33:15 GMT
The entire Musk-Twitter farrago seems to be a constant gift as far as this thread title goes.
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Post by jo on Mar 8, 2023 9:17:42 GMT
The reporter clearly hasn't read the BBC all hands memo that everything from now on is Elon Musk's fault.
Not nearly as mad as it sounds. He is as dangerous as anyone in the world and in a non-apartheid democracy, unlike where he grew up, he totally believes that money trumps justice and the law. He's probably glad that he's not a russian oligarch although Putler might wish he was given that his massive brain has made room to become a military expert as well. I'm looking forward to his fall in true reggie perrin style.
Not really mad at all. The crazies are really frightened of him. Why? Because he's uncancellable in the conventional sense. It's kind of ironic, given that he's a classic liberal.
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Post by keitha on Mar 8, 2023 10:03:59 GMT
The headline is amusing in its own way, but why was this guy even out of prison? With 33 previous convictions for sex offences, they are STILL letting him out early on licence. Will the parole board never learn? After 33 convictions, not 3 or even 13, but 33. Staggering. it's not the parole board it's the rules keep your nose clean and you get half when half your time is served. my argument with many of the repeat offenders is that magistrates give them chance after chance. one case I know of given a "final" warning by magistrates for shoplifting, arrested less than an hour later for shoplifting and given another warning, 30 plus convictions and he finally got sent down for 28 days.
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Post by michaelc on Mar 8, 2023 14:41:29 GMT
The headline is amusing in its own way, but why was this guy even out of prison? With 33 previous convictions for sex offences, they are STILL letting him out early on licence. Will the parole board never learn? "In 2021 he was jailed for 22 months after he was caught exposing himself near a group of teenage girls sunbathing on a beach at Barry Island. He was freed from prison in October 2021". Sounds like he served no more than half that sentence then. A different offence, receives 12 months inside.... with 6 months of that granted outside on licence. After 33 convictions, not 3 or even 13, but 33. Staggering. Need to build more prisons.
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Post by keitha on Mar 8, 2023 18:26:34 GMT
We have about 84,000 people in Prison assuming a UK Population of 66 Million thats 0.12% of the population or 127 per 100,000, (Google statistics say 159 per 100,000) that puts the UK way down on this list worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-countrybut still a long way above our European neighbours ie more than double that in Germany. It also seems inequitable that 96% of the prison population are male and only 4% female. Are men really 24 times more likely to commit an offence that deserves a prison sentence |
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Post by moonraker on Mar 8, 2023 18:55:47 GMT
"he was handed a 12-month referral order ... The teenager had admitted causing death by driving a vehicle otherwise than in accordance with a licence, and causing death by driving a vehicle while uninsured at a hearing in February.The boy was also disqualified from driving for five years. Both of his parents have been given a six-month parenting order and ordered to pay the prosecution costs of £85 and a victim surcharge of £26."
Something of a contrast, even allowing for the age of the offender.
"... the teenager's father had bought the e-scooter for him six days earlier and 'in that short time', the defendant had already fractured his thumb while riding it".
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Post by michaelc on Mar 8, 2023 20:35:46 GMT
"he was handed a 12-month referral order ... The teenager had admitted causing death by driving a vehicle otherwise than in accordance with a licence, and causing death by driving a vehicle while uninsured at a hearing in February.The boy was also disqualified from driving for five years. Both of his parents have been given a six-month parenting order and ordered to pay the prosecution costs of £85 and a victim surcharge of £26."
Something of a contrast, even allowing for the age of the offender.
"... the teenager's father had bought the e-scooter for him six days earlier and 'in that short time', the defendant had already fractured his thumb while riding it".
Agreed.
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And the only mention of brexit in the article was in relation of the move of the HQ to Amsterdam, not the move of the red light district within Amesterdam. Just so we are clear 
