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Post by ozboy on Mar 8, 2023 20:56:09 GMT
"It also seems inequitable that 96% of the prison population are male and only 4% female. Are men really 24 times more likely to commit an offence that deserves a prison sentence" I suspect you already know the answer @keisha.  Females are consistently treated far more leniently than men for similar crimes. Equality, great innit?! 
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Mar 8, 2023 20:57:39 GMT
I would suggest that given on average, only 100 or so parenting orders are made each year that this young man has "previous"
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 8, 2023 21:56:54 GMT
"It also seems inequitable that 96% of the prison population are male and only 4% female. Are men really 24 times more likely to commit an offence that deserves a prison sentence" I suspect you already know the answer @keisha. Females are consistently treated far more leniently than men for similar crimes. Equality, great innit?! Women may do a lot of low impact crime, shoplifting, car crime, but a lot of GBH, robbery, murder, is still men. Just because it's easier to do these crimes if you are bigger and stronger.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 9, 2023 7:35:24 GMT
"It also seems inequitable that 96% of the prison population are male and only 4% female. Are men really 24 times more likely to commit an offence that deserves a prison sentence" I suspect you already know the answer @keisha. Females are consistently treated far more leniently than men for similar crimes. Equality, great innit?! "Equality" issues are peripheral. Males are far more likely to be the perpetrators of violent and serious crime. It has been thus for many centuries. In particular, young males are far more likely to commit serious crimes/crimes of violence. These are the crimes we predominantly opt to punish with imprisonment. Testosterone and Alpha male considerations. Not only has that been the case for centuries - but it is universal around the world. Even in regime's with a particular disregard for womens rights, incarceration rates for females are much lower than for men, even if the rate of female incarceration is higher than western societies. Very difficult to square that with 'inequality' as the cause. There are of course some edge cases of females avoiding jail sentences because of having young children. But in the big picture, I suspect its impact is marginal.
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Post by moonraker on Mar 9, 2023 15:47:40 GMT
Back to the Auriol Grey case (again):
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Post by registerme on Mar 9, 2023 15:55:28 GMT
The reply from Lineker  .
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Post by michaelc on Mar 9, 2023 16:01:00 GMT
"It also seems inequitable that 96% of the prison population are male and only 4% female. Are men really 24 times more likely to commit an offence that deserves a prison sentence" I suspect you already know the answer @keisha. Females are consistently treated far more leniently than men for similar crimes. Equality, great innit?! "Equality" issues are peripheral. Males are far more likely to be the perpetrators of violent and serious crime. It has been thus for many centuries. In particular, young males are far more likely to commit serious crimes/crimes of violence. These are the crimes we predominantly opt to punish with imprisonment. Testosterone and Alpha male considerations. Not only has that been the case for centuries - but it is universal around the world. Even in regime's with a particular disregard for womens rights, incarceration rates for females are much lower than for men, even if the rate of female incarceration is higher than western societies. Very difficult to square that with 'inequality' as the cause. There are of course some edge cases of females avoiding jail sentences because of having young children. But in the big picture, I suspect its impact is marginal. A rare occasion I agree with you and disagree with the Right Honourable Sir Ozyboy. You missed all the rape, and sexual crime including against children are almost exclusively men. I don't agree with Greenwood2 that they do it because it is "easier for them as they are bigger and stronger."
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Post by adrianc on Mar 9, 2023 16:33:37 GMT
UK prison population stats... data.justice.gov.uk/prisonsTotal prisoners - 81,806 Life sentences - 7,084 = 8.7% Indefinite for Public Protection - 1,492 = 1.8% Remand - 13,409 = 16.4% Female - 3,107 = 3.8% By Crime Violence against person - 20,590 = 25.1% Sexual - 12,745 = 15.6% Robbery - 5,806 = 7.0% Theft - 6,218 = 7.6% Drugs - 10,855 = 13.3% Possession of Weapons - 2,369 = 2.9% www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2021/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2021Proportion of all arrests - 15% Proportion of all prosecutions - 21% Proportion of all convictions - 21% Proportion remanded to Crown Court - 10% Proportion of immediate custodial sentences - 7%, average 14.5 months vs 22.7 months male 17% <12mo sentences vs 7% for male. Theft from shops - 21% of female prosecutions, 8% male. TV licence prosecutions - 75% female, 18% of female prosecutions. |
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Post by jonno on Mar 9, 2023 16:50:59 GMT
"Equality" issues are peripheral. Males are far more likely to be the perpetrators of violent and serious crime. It has been thus for many centuries. In particular, young males are far more likely to commit serious crimes/crimes of violence. These are the crimes we predominantly opt to punish with imprisonment. Testosterone and Alpha male considerations. Not only has that been the case for centuries - but it is universal around the world. Even in regime's with a particular disregard for womens rights, incarceration rates for females are much lower than for men, even if the rate of female incarceration is higher than western societies. Very difficult to square that with 'inequality' as the cause. There are of course some edge cases of females avoiding jail sentences because of having young children. But in the big picture, I suspect its impact is marginal. A rare occasion I agree with you and disagree with the Right Honourable Sir Ozyboy. You missed all the rape, and sexual crime including against children are almost exclusively men. I don't agree with Greenwood2 that they do it because it is "easier for them as they are bigger and stronger." In the same way that I wouldn't argue with Einstein about the Theory of Relativity, there's no way I'm going to take on ozboy about criminal activity and prison related issues
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Post by travolta on Mar 9, 2023 18:38:17 GMT
We have about 84,000 people in Prison assuming a UK Population of 66 Million thats 0.12% of the population or 127 per 100,000, (Google statistics say 159 per 100,000) that puts the UK way down on this list worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-countrybut still a long way above our European neighbours ie more than double that in Germany. It also seems inequitable that 96% of the prison population are male and only 4% female. Are men really 24 times more likely to commit an offence that deserves a prison sentence Yes For some reason or other I have spent more of my life working /living alongside males rather than females (not counting various in betweens). I can't think of a single one who didn't deserve a custodial sentence at some time during our acqaintance,mostly for aggressive driving.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 10, 2023 2:41:20 GMT
The reply from Lineker . Mildly amusing. I mean nothing personal here, but what I have found more amusing is to compare the outraged reaction on this forum to the Tory MP who recently made a comparison to the holocaust versus the very muted and, dare I say, even supportive reaction to an outspoken left-wing BBC celebrity doing much the same thing.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 10, 2023 6:55:39 GMT
The reply from Lineker . Mildly amusing. I mean nothing personal here, but what I have found more amusing is to compare the outraged reaction on this forum to the Tory MP who recently made a comparison to the holocaust versus the very muted and, dare I say, even supportive reaction to an outspoken left-wing BBC celebrity doing much the same thing. Here are the two 'comparisons' compared: 1. The first described the actions and outcomes of a program as "the worst crime against humanity since the holocaust". The intended meaning and that which was conveyed was that a policy had directly led to the deaths of millions of people, and was deliberate/connived with. 2. The other - as far a I recall - said that the language used was similar to that used by pre-war (wartime) Germany. It did not draw any analogy of actions being comparable to the holocaust. The two things are simply not even comparable, and until you mentioned it, it had not even occurred to me that anyone might draw a straight line between what Andrew Bellend said and what Linekar said. And I'm not even particularly supportive of him posting such stuff (although I am less concerned about the 'BBC impartiality' angle as he clearly is not fronting news/current affairs/political pieces). And no, I had not even remembered who Andrew Bellend was (i.e. his prior track record) until it was mentioned on here after he started spouting out that rubbish, so I held no grudges towards him for his ERG involvement.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 10, 2023 9:10:59 GMT
The reply from Lineker . Mildly amusing. I mean nothing personal here, but what I have found more amusing is to compare the outraged reaction on this forum to the Tory MP who recently made a comparison to the holocaust versus the very muted and, dare I say, even supportive reaction to an outspoken left-wing BBC celebrity doing much the same thing. Mmm. I think we can all agree that there's a world of difference between a sport presenter saying the language is reminiscent of 1930s Germany and an MP saying in a Parliamentary debate that the Covid jab was the "worst human rights abuse since the holocaust", can't we? I mean, there was quite a bit more to the political environment through 1930s Germany than just the industrial-scale murder of millions. The policies - and legislation - of this government do carry echoes that, just perhaps, we should find a tad concerning... It's not a big step to seeing asylum protests, such as the ones in Merseyside, developing into echoes of Kristallnacht. There's 120 asylum seekers being housed in Hereford soon - the first, and a small fraction of a "fair" proportion of the backlog to the population, at a mediocre hotel that's due to be redeveloped in the near future anyway. The language being widely and openly used on local social media is truly inflammatory.  'course, all this government's hand-wringing over it is mass hypocrisy. Senior civil servant moves to political job? Terrible if Gray -> Labour chief of staff. Excellent if Frost -> ennobled specifically to allow ministerial appointment. BBC politicisation? Terrible if sports presenter dares disagree with a policy. Excellent if chair of board job is awarded to the PM's former boss and a half-million-quid party donor, with DG job to former councillor and local party chair.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 10, 2023 9:25:54 GMT
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Post by keitha on Mar 10, 2023 10:31:38 GMT
exactly what is wrong with requiring ID to vote, I'd do away with the ability to have a postal vote apart from the disabled, and those on holiday.
I've seen first hand the influence that Imams etc have over the flock, as a teller on election night I raised the issue of dozens of postal votes all marked with the same distinctive x with a tail. But I was told it's a thing with the way they write the letter x.
I agree that we shouldn't restrict the Gipsy and Roma way of life, we do however need to do something about the "new age travellers" it is they that taint the true travelling communities.
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