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Post by michaelc on May 31, 2023 15:21:15 GMT
Also on the BBC front page: Train strikes this week to hit FA Cup final and Epsom Derby
Djokovic's Political Message Not appropriate
Government calls for World Cup TV Agreement [with a picture of women footballers to accompany it, so I hope you didn't have too much of a cardiac arrest when you saw it] So out of 9 stories on the top of front page, 4 are about sport. 2 are about women's sport but are essentially about the same event. In other breaking news, not on the front page: "Some men suddenly discover that women also play sport and that people are interested in it". For me it was the top headline. There is some truth but these stories should reflect reality and not try to shape it. Ditto trans stuff.
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Post by ilmoro on May 31, 2023 18:29:28 GMT
Also on the BBC front page: Train strikes this week to hit FA Cup final and Epsom Derby
Djokovic's Political Message Not appropriate
Government calls for World Cup TV Agreement [with a picture of women footballers to accompany it, so I hope you didn't have too much of a cardiac arrest when you saw it] So out of 9 stories on the top of front page, 4 are about sport. 2 are about women's sport but are essentially about the same event. In other breaking news, not on the front page: "Some men suddenly discover that women also play sport and that people are interested in it". Just be thankful they didnt make their living sitting on a sofa, have a relationship with a colleague & lie about it. Thats headline international news for the BBC
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Post by adrianc on Jun 1, 2023 8:35:13 GMT
Women's football - front page news at the BBC. Not front page Sports News but front page news. I'm sick of this liberal agenda. Would the equivalent for men's football be front page news? Yes. So giving equal coverage to both sexes is now part of a "liberal agenda" that's a bad thing? Wow. I mean, I'd be quite happy for there to be far less coverage of sport, but if we've got to hear about men kicking a ball, I see no issue in giving the same coverage to women kicking one.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 1, 2023 12:18:39 GMT
Women's football - front page news at the BBC. Not front page Sports News but front page news. I'm sick of this liberal agenda. Would the equivalent for men's football be front page news? Yes. So giving equal coverage to both sexes is now part of a "liberal agenda" that's a bad thing? Wow. I mean, I'd be quite happy for there to be far less coverage of sport, but if we've got to hear about men kicking a ball, I see no issue in giving the same coverage to women kicking one. Its about viewer interest not the sex of the players. Mens football is currently far more popular but my point is that outlets like the BBC are trying to shift that balance presumably out of some kind of wish to change what is popular rather than simply report it. It is that which I don't like.
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Post by keitha on Jun 1, 2023 12:42:31 GMT
Would the equivalent for men's football be front page news? Yes. So giving equal coverage to both sexes is now part of a "liberal agenda" that's a bad thing? Wow. I mean, I'd be quite happy for there to be far less coverage of sport, but if we've got to hear about men kicking a ball, I see no issue in giving the same coverage to women kicking one. Its about viewer interest not the sex of the players. Mens football is currently far more popular but my point is that outlets like the BBC are trying to shift that balance presumably out of some kind of wish to change what is popular rather than simply report it. It is that which I don't like. Quite, Fishing and Bowls ( indoor, crown green, and flat green ) are amongst the most popular participation sports in the UK when do you see either getting any coverage on BBC sport.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 1, 2023 13:28:44 GMT
Would the equivalent for men's football be front page news? Yes. So giving equal coverage to both sexes is now part of a "liberal agenda" that's a bad thing? Wow. I mean, I'd be quite happy for there to be far less coverage of sport, but if we've got to hear about men kicking a ball, I see no issue in giving the same coverage to women kicking one. Its about viewer interest not the sex of the players. Mens football is currently far more popular but my point is that outlets like the BBC are trying to shift that balance presumably out of some kind of wish to change what is popular rather than simply report it. It is that which I don't like. There is of course the little matter of the women's euros in 2022 which proved very popular in the UK, OK England. How many people watched the women's Euro final 2022?
For its live coverage of the final, the BBC reported a peak audience of 17.4 million, making it the most-watched women's football match ever on UK television and the most-watched TV programme in any genre so far in 2022. [That was stated in Aug so more than half way through the year]England women of course won that final to make them european champions. Which is more than can be said for the men's team. Also Wembley was a sell out for the final. So the BBC trying to shift the balance, or reflecting a shift ? Or maybe giving it a small and reasonable nudge ? Either way, being "sick of it" being part of "a liberal agenda" seems a little harsh. Oh, and female participation in sport is far less than male, and a hell of a lot of that comes down to perception and not having role models. Being concerned about a sports look rather than a 'model' look. Anything which encourages young girls and women to get active and therefore involved in 'sports' I would think is a good thing. Unless of course one is a member of the Taliban, in which case a different outlook exists.
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 1, 2023 13:49:42 GMT
Its about viewer interest not the sex of the players. Mens football is currently far more popular but my point is that outlets like the BBC are trying to shift that balance presumably out of some kind of wish to change what is popular rather than simply report it. It is that which I don't like. There is of course the little matter of the women's euros in 2022 which proved very popular in the UK, OK England. How many people watched the women's Euro final 2022?
For its live coverage of the final, the BBC reported a peak audience of 17.4 million, making it the most-watched women's football match ever on UK television and the most-watched TV programme in any genre so far in 2022. [That was stated in Aug so more than half way through the year]England women of course won that final to make them european champions. Which is more than can be said for the men's team. Also Wembley was a sell out for the final. So the BBC trying to shift the balance, or reflecting a shift ? Or maybe giving it a small and reasonable nudge ? Either way, being "sick of it" being part of "a liberal agenda" seems a little harsh. Oh, and female participation in sport is far less than male, and a hell of a lot of that comes down to perception and not having role models. Being concerned about a sports look rather than a 'model' look. Anything which encourages young girls and women to get active and therefore involved in 'sports' I would think is a good thing. Unless of course one is a member of the Taliban, in which case a different outlook exists. I suspect normal order is about to be restored as headlines will now be about a 6'5" blond bloke being nasty to the Irish. Meanwhile I note further down the front page a story about big breasts. Liberal PC agenda cancelled 😁
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Post by Steerpike on Jun 1, 2023 14:32:02 GMT
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Post by james100 on Jun 1, 2023 14:38:29 GMT
Little extract below from the FA's website re history of women's football. Lots of good reasons to be happy it is moving towards equal media coverage these days, and that fact it's a more internationally successful UK sport than the male subvariant is just one of them 😄
1920: The biggest crowd to date for a women’s game. On Boxing Day, 53,000 watch Dick Kerr's Ladies beat St Helen's Ladies 4-0.
1921: The FA bans women from playing on Football League grounds. “…the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged."
1969: The Women's Football Association (WFA) is formed with 44 member clubs.
1971: The FA Council lifts the ban which forbade women playing on the grounds of affiliated clubs.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 1, 2023 16:06:30 GMT
I know I shouldn't, but I can't help but giggle at some of the ancient comments about women in sports. My favourite relates to when there was a restriction on the length of race that women could compete in (I believe about 800m). When asked why, it was suggested that if you let them run any further then by the end of the race they would be too tired to go home and make their husband's tea.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 2, 2023 22:49:58 GMT
Would the equivalent for men's football be front page news? Yes. So giving equal coverage to both sexes is now part of a "liberal agenda" that's a bad thing? Wow. I mean, I'd be quite happy for there to be far less coverage of sport, but if we've got to hear about men kicking a ball, I see no issue in giving the same coverage to women kicking one. Its about viewer interest not the sex of the players.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 3, 2023 0:32:17 GMT
Its about viewer interest not the sex of the players. Mens football is currently far more popular but my point is that outlets like the BBC are trying to shift that balance presumably out of some kind of wish to change what is popular rather than simply report it. It is that which I don't like. Quite, Fishing and Bowls ( indoor, crown green, and flat green ) are amongst the most popular participation sports in the UK when do you see either getting any coverage on BBC sport. You can add shooting to that list. I once read more people actively participate in shooting each weekend than play rugby or cricket. As a lad, when we only had two TV channels available, I remember seeing a range of sports on weekend TV, including scrambling, trial riding, speedway, wrestling, even ten-pin bowling. Probably many others, those are just the ones I remember dad keen on. Now the choice is football or cookery. It seems the number of pastimes broadcast is inversely proportional to the number of channels available!
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 3, 2023 7:08:49 GMT
Quite, Fishing and Bowls ( indoor, crown green, and flat green ) are amongst the most popular participation sports in the UK when do you see either getting any coverage on BBC sport. You can add shooting to that list. I once read more people actively participate in shooting each weekend than play rugby or cricket. As a lad, when we only had two TV channels available, I remember seeing a range of sports on weekend TV, including scrambling, trial riding, speedway, wrestling, even ten-pin bowling. Probably many others, those are just the ones I remember dad keen on. Now the choice is football or cookery. It seems the number of pastimes broadcast is inversely proportional to the number of channels available! I agree that there was more variety of "sport" available on the mainstream terrestrial channels "back in the day". Though I'm not sure that the kind of "wrestling" that used to regularly be on the TV was actually "sport" - I think if fell under "light entertainment". Oops, sorry: i've just remembered Haystacks, make that "heavy entertainment". However, I'm not sure that the total number of sports available has decreased, rather that perhaps some of it has shifted to other channels, and has got fragmented across them. And perhaps the particular sports being shown have simply changed. EuroSports channel I believe shows a whole range (I don't watch) of different sports [including women's Beach Volleyball I suspect]. I don't have the likes of Sky, but a quick look at Now TV and what is coming up (i'm not subscribed so can only see a ltd amount) shows that amongst the Golf, F1 and Football is IndyCar (did that ever used to be on), Rugby League (which used to be on terrestrial), and Netball. OK, so the latter involves women playing "sport" so may not count, apparently, but at least they are trying. The other thing is, while a sport may be a popular participation sport, people may be far less interested in it as a spectator sport. Fishing is pretty popular, but fishing contests don't make for particularly riveting TV I might posit. I remember the speedway on TV. But just quickly looking, its clear that in the UK has over the years very significantly fallen out of love with it as an attended sport. Partly it would seem due to vested interests being slow to adapt or work together for the good of the overall sport. I would post a link, but the one I found just happens (by chance) to be to an article in the New European, and I wouldn't want you to choke on your breakfast cereal 
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Post by jonno on Jun 3, 2023 11:50:52 GMT
Quite, Fishing and Bowls ( indoor, crown green, and flat green ) are amongst the most popular participation sports in the UK when do you see either getting any coverage on BBC sport. You can add shooting to that list. I once read more people actively participate in shooting each weekend than play rugby or cricket. As a lad, when we only had two TV channels available, I remember seeing a range of sports on weekend TV, including scrambling, trial riding, speedway, wrestling, even ten-pin bowling. Probably many others, those are just the ones I remember dad keen on. Now the choice is football or cookery. It seems the number of pastimes broadcast is inversely proportional to the number of channels available! Errr..........cricket, golf, horse racing, F1, boxing, rugby league,pool, tennis,hockey,rugby union,badminton,wrestling,superbikes; all on today. Me thinks there's summat up with your telly. 
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 3, 2023 12:05:35 GMT
You can add shooting to that list. I once read more people actively participate in shooting each weekend than play rugby or cricket. As a lad, when we only had two TV channels available, I remember seeing a range of sports on weekend TV, including scrambling, trial riding, speedway, wrestling, even ten-pin bowling. Probably many others, those are just the ones I remember dad keen on. Now the choice is football or cookery. It seems the number of pastimes broadcast is inversely proportional to the number of channels available! Errr..........cricket, golf, horse racing, F1, boxing, rugby league,pool, tennis,hockey,rugby union,badminton,wrestling,superbikes; all on today. Me thinks there's summat up with your telly. 😁 If they are all on Freeview channels, then I stand corrected. (I wasn't considering paid channels, because you can get anything you like if you pay enough...).
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