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Post by daveb on Jun 23, 2023 17:28:47 GMT
Certainly not ... I said a serious politician ... not one who expounds an economically illiterate fantasy. You've missed the point ... Boris 80 seat majority was based on Labour collapse & a general trend ... on a get B done whomever was Tory leader would have won. A Labour victory will be based on anti-Tory, anti-SNP vote not anything Starmer does. Starmer can only lose the election, Sunak only win ... like 92. As i said...like starmer? no. borises majority was based on labour saying they would reverse brexit, along with the the lib dems and the snp's... and your assumption of get b done is nonsense.. teresa May certainly wouldnt have won , and she wanted to get brexit done.. in her own wierd way... and labours victory or loss could still be decided by the stupidity of starmers flip flop comments/promises/non promises. In 2019 Labour's policy on Brexit was NOT to reverse it, it was to have more negotiation and then a 2nd referendum. I'm not saying that was a good policy, and it obviously wasn't a popular one, but it definitely wasn't a straightforward promise to reverse Brexit.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 23, 2023 20:25:38 GMT
no it wouldnt have been an accident, it would have been reckless driving, or worse.... AMBER MEANS STOP. JUST LIKE RED MEANS STOP. Maybe I should have said unintentional. And whilst I don't disagree with your characterisation of what amber means, in my experience an astonishing number of drivers interpret it differently.Anyway, like I said, I was a new driver, I made a bad mistake, and I was very lucky to get away with it. It taught me an extremely valuable lesson at no cost. Not everybody is so lucky. I couldnt agree more ,like you... ive been done for it also, thats why i know... the amount of drivers that think amber is ok to drive through is frightening.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 23, 2023 20:29:37 GMT
As i said...like starmer? no. borises majority was based on labour saying they would reverse brexit, along with the the lib dems and the snp's... and your assumption of get b done is nonsense.. teresa May certainly wouldnt have won , and she wanted to get brexit done.. in her own wierd way... and labours victory or loss could still be decided by the stupidity of starmers flip flop comments/promises/non promises. In 2019 Labour's policy on Brexit was NOT to reverse it, it was to have more negotiation and then a 2nd referendum. I'm not saying that was a good policy, and it obviously wasn't a popular one, but it definitely wasn't a straightforward promise to reverse Brexit. Good analysis from a liberal... but lets be fair.. LABOUR WANTED TO REVERSE IT... You can dress it up however you like, the red wall did not fall because labour wanted to negotiate anything, we all knew what labour and the lib dems wanted.
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Post by daveb on Jun 23, 2023 20:56:43 GMT
In 2019 Labour's policy on Brexit was NOT to reverse it, it was to have more negotiation and then a 2nd referendum. I'm not saying that was a good policy, and it obviously wasn't a popular one, but it definitely wasn't a straightforward promise to reverse Brexit. Good analysis from a liberal... but lets be fair.. LABOUR WANTED TO REVERSE IT... You can dress it up however you like, the red wall did not fall because labour wanted to negotiate anything, we all knew what labour and the lib dems wanted. I'd say it's more that Labour was split on the issue, and voters don't like divided parties. The Tories presented themselves as a unified party of Brexit, that worked for them in 2019 when the public was so fed up with the endless wrangling and failure of politicians to agree a way forward.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 23, 2023 21:08:38 GMT
Good analysis from a liberal... but lets be fair.. LABOUR WANTED TO REVERSE IT... You can dress it up however you like, the red wall did not fall because labour wanted to negotiate anything, we all knew what labour and the lib dems wanted. , and voters don't like divided parties. The Tories presented themselves as a unified party of Brexit, that worked for them in 2019 when the public was so fed up with the endless wrangling and failure of politicians to agree a way forward. Ahh but .. lets not forget ... brexit was offered by blair 2 times, amongst his other lies... and renaged on 2 times.. the labour voters were in favour of brexit as were the tories, the big difference was the tories delivered it... we have brexit.. but we do not have a tory party that believes in it or has the backbone to deliver it fully.. boris was a false profit... sunak and hunt are traitors. IMHO.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 23, 2023 22:47:42 GMT
I'd say it's more that Labour was split on the issue, and voters don't like divided parties. The Tories presented themselves as a unified party of Brexit, that worked for them in 2019 when the public was so fed up with the endless wrangling and failure of politicians to agree a way forward. Ahh but .. lets not forget ... brexit was offered by blair 2 times, amongst his other lies... and renaged on 2 times.. the labour voters were in favour of brexit as were the tories, the big difference was the tories delivered it... we have brexit.. but we do not have a tory party that believes in it or has the backbone to deliver it fully.. boris was a false profit... sunak and hunt are traitors. IMHO. This week you claim "Boris was a false prophet".... so would you still vote for him as EMPHATICALLY as last week?  Normal "strong" warnings about a Jonathan Pie video... He's... pithy, I think you might say. << Jonathan Pie video >> After this video .... "would i still vote for boris... warts and all?" YES I WOULD. 
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Post by agent69 on Jun 24, 2023 13:04:23 GMT
Senior Ukranian minister expresses concern that their supply of popcorn might be running low
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 7:28:46 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 25, 2023 8:52:28 GMT
Shall I click on this link or not....? Such mixed feelings. I don't want to encourage the daily heil to think bunging Biros a million was a good move. Do I want to hear from the posh tosspot ever again? Do I want to be annoyed by a eulogy from some flabby hasbeen whose only link to the people who died is being rich? well yes. Do i want to read the comments section? Hell yeah LETS GO! Apparently the submariners died in the Culture War!
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Post by agent69 on Jun 25, 2023 10:12:08 GMT
Following the withdrawal of a team-mate Belgian shot putter Jolien Boumkwo competes in the 100m women's hurdles to gain important points for her nation at the European Athletics Team Championships in Poland.
While the rest of the competitors finished in between 13 and 14 seconds, Jolien took 32s (although it was a season best for her).
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 25, 2023 11:06:30 GMT
Following the withdrawal of a team-mate Belgian shot putter Jolien Boumkwo competes in the 100m women's hurdles to gain important points for her nation at the European Athletics Team Championships in Poland.
While the rest of the competitors finished in between 13 and 14 seconds, Jolien took 32s (although it was a season best for her).
Brilliant. The video is well worth watching. What a sport she is.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 25, 2023 11:15:55 GMT
Maybe I should have said unintentional. And whilst I don't disagree with your characterisation of what amber means, in my experience an astonishing number of drivers interpret it differently. Anyway, like I said, I was a new driver, I made a bad mistake, and I was very lucky to get away with it. It taught me an extremely valuable lesson at no cost. Not everybody is so lucky. No, it would still have been an accident. The very definition of accident is an incident that is unintentional. An accident has causes, in this case as you rightly recognise and own up to would have been what you did, but is still unintentional. You were lucky to get away with it as you say. I'm sure many of us, in our youth especially, and particularly those of us of a male original gender, have had driving incidents that we were lucky to get away with. What is that?
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Post by michaelc on Jun 25, 2023 11:19:09 GMT
I thought about this for a while having been in a similar situation recently where the lights changed when i was just passing over the stop line. I checked here what the current rules are www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/light-signals-controlling-traffic.htmlwhere it stated the following Just a thought, hopefully any cameras will be able to corroborate my view and see the car behind was perilously close too! Interesting that. What about the third case which is that to pull up might not be possible [due to the limitations of the machine you are driving or your own reaction time.]
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 25, 2023 11:29:54 GMT
70 per cent still agree Brexit was the right thing to do
"A poll of hundreds of people on a special episode of BBC Question Time found 70 per cent still agreed Brexit was the right thing to do."
- Daily Express article on MSN
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Post by agent69 on Jun 25, 2023 11:38:58 GMT
I thought about this for a while having been in a similar situation recently where the lights changed when i was just passing over the stop line. I checked here what the current rules are www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/light-signals-controlling-traffic.htmlwhere it stated the following Just a thought, hopefully any cameras will be able to corroborate my view and see the car behind was perilously close too! Interesting that. What about the third case which is that to pull up might not be possible [due to the limitations of the machine you are driving or your own reaction time.] In this scenario maybe you and your machine shouldn't be on the road?
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