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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 13, 2023 16:59:22 GMT
Aggressive Liberals have never liked anything about China but are no doubt ok with buying most of their consumer products from them. If China was to immediately stop exporting anything to the UK we'd be in very bad shape. Even the language - "penetration" when referring to trade and co-operation is disturbing. Do these Liberals not ever want some kind of world where we can all trade cooperatively and peacefully? Imagine the economic boost that would bring. But "no", we have to forever have some foe we have to compete with (at best). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66189243I've never understood what you mean by "aggressive liberals", so thank you for a link which helps to clarify. I assume it is the conclusion of the report that you object to, since that is the subject of the article. So that means members of the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee who authored the report. So 5 conservative MPs, 2 Labour MPs, one SNP member, and an Admiral who is also a member of the house of lords have outed themselves as "aggressive liberals". It would seem that label covers a pretty broad church. Of course we could assume that they are not actually collectively trying to push some hidden agenda, but instead are doing the job which members of parliament have asked them to do when nominating them to that particular standing committee. Just a thought.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 13, 2023 17:37:59 GMT
Also perhaps of note is that the Orange Dumpster was the one who championed and introduced significant trade barriers / tariffs for Chinese goods. Is that also because he is "an aggressive liberal" I wonder ?
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Post by adrianc on Jul 13, 2023 20:31:20 GMT
I've never understood what you mean by "aggressive liberals" The use of the word "liberal" as an insult has always struck me as strange, to the point it seems to say more about the person using it than their target. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberal"respecting and allowing many different types of beliefs or behaviour" "willing to consider new or different ideas" "believing in or allowing a lot of personal freedom, and believing that society should change gradually so that money, property, and power are shared more fairly"I've been called far, far worse.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 14, 2023 10:41:31 GMT
Hollywood actors are going on strike, with one of their main demands being that they aren't replaced by AI.
However, my favourite comment was from actor Matt Damon, who said 'We've got to get what we're worth' (in Mr Damons case that's about $170m).
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 14, 2023 12:07:18 GMT
Hollywood actors are going on strike, with one of their main demands being that they aren't replaced by AI.
However, my favourite comment was from actor Matt Damon, who said 'We've got to get what we're worth' (in Mr Damons case that's about $170m).
That's odd. I've seen some recent Matt Damon films and I thought he had already been replaced by a robot.
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Post by travolta on Jul 14, 2023 13:09:21 GMT
Hollywood actors are going on strike, with one of their main demands being that they aren't replaced by AI.
However, my favourite comment was from actor Matt Damon, who said 'We've got to get what we're worth' (in Mr Damons case that's about $170m).
That's odd. I've seen some recent Matt Damon films and I thought he had already been replaced by a robot. He's cerainly changed over the years, since Private Ryan. youtu.be/iKD1uyZVMFw
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Post by DeafEater on Jul 14, 2023 15:47:43 GMT
RE: The problem with retrieving the WhatsApp messages on BJ's old phone - I gather the PIN is the birthday of one of his children, so the odds he'd try the right one before bricking it are not good.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 14, 2023 16:08:45 GMT
This chap has been found innocent by no less than two juries. And yet the BBC can't resist bringing up all the details of what he didn't do. I know why they behave like this - its because they don't like this chap's womanising behaviour. It doesn't fit their liberal agenda. In this country, we are innocent until proven guilty and certainly innocent after being found not guilty. Unfortunately, we have laws that punish the innocent. No doubt this chap has suffered hugely over the cause of these trials and none of that suffering is addressed by our justice system or indeed our media. Its also not shared by those making false rape allegations. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66201526
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Post by adrianc on Jul 14, 2023 16:33:45 GMT
This chap has been found innocent by no less than two juries. And yet the BBC can't resist bringing up all the details of what he didn't do. Recapping the bullet points of the trial, you mean, for the benefit of those of us for whom this was new-news. Seems it was a retrial of a small proportion of the cases he was originally charged with, after a previous jury failed to come to a verdict on those. If this was north of the border, I rather suspect "Not Proven" would have come into play.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 14, 2023 17:13:25 GMT
This chap has been found innocent by no less than two juries. And yet the BBC can't resist bringing up all the details of what he didn't do. Recapping the bullet points of the trial, you mean, for the benefit of those of us for whom this was new-news. Seems it was a retrial of a small proportion of the cases he was originally charged with, after a previous jury failed to come to a verdict on those. If this was north of the border, I rather suspect "Not Proven" would have come into play. Sailing very close to the libel wind with that one. The man's likely got deep pockets too...
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 14, 2023 18:18:32 GMT
This chap has been found innocent by no less than two juries. And yet the BBC can't resist bringing up all the details of what he didn't do. I know why they behave like this - its because they don't like this chap's womanising behaviour. It doesn't fit their liberal agenda. In this country, we are innocent until proven guilty and certainly innocent after being found not guilty. Unfortunately, we have laws that punish the innocent. No doubt this chap has suffered hugely over the cause of these trials and none of that suffering is addressed by our justice system or indeed our media. Its also not shared by those making false rape allegations. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66201526OK.... Its a report of a trial which is itself a retrial of charges on which the jury could not reach a verdict. The previous trial is therefore entirely relevant. The only mention of the previous trial by the BBC is this: "The footballer, whose contract with Manchester City expired this month, was cleared at the earlier trial of six counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, relating to four young women or teenagers. But jurors failed to reach verdicts on two counts of rape and attempted rape, prompting a re-trial." That is it. Period. There is nothing else in there about the previous trial or charges. Unless I'm missing something. I must have read similar statements regarding retrials across multiple media sources thousands of times over the years. For a whole range of different offences. Yet in this case its not because "journalism" or "news reporting" its because of institutional bias. Obviously. The article also reports the defendant's solicitor as saying: "This is the second time that Mr Mendy has been tried and found not guilty by a jury. He is delighted that both juries reached the correct verdicts."Should they have omitted that because it refers to the offences of which he was found not guilty at the previous trial ?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 14, 2023 18:34:27 GMT
Recapping the bullet points of the trial, you mean, for the benefit of those of us for whom this was new-news. Seems it was a retrial of a small proportion of the cases he was originally charged with, after a previous jury failed to come to a verdict on those. If this was north of the border, I rather suspect "Not Proven" would have come into play. Sailing very close to the libel wind with that one. The man's likely got deep pockets too... Not sure why. The English (and Wales) system allows 2 'verdicts', Guilty & Not Guilty. Plus a "can't reach a verdict". The latter allows for a retrial. The Scottish system allows for 3 verdicts: Guilty, Innocent, and Not Proven. The latter is, for practical purposes, virtually the same as Not Guilty, as unlike the "3rd" non-verdict in English (&Welsh) law it acts pretty much like 'Not Guilty' in that it would be very unusual for there to be a retrial. So its a bit difficult to see how a suggestion that if held under Scottish law a potential verdict of 'Not Proven' versus "couldn't decide" is somehow close to being libellous.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 14, 2023 19:11:59 GMT
This chap has been found innocent by no less than two juries. And yet the BBC can't resist bringing up all the details of what he didn't do. I know why they behave like this - its because they don't like this chap's womanising behaviour. It doesn't fit their liberal agenda. In this country, we are innocent until proven guilty and certainly innocent after being found not guilty. Unfortunately, we have laws that punish the innocent. No doubt this chap has suffered hugely over the cause of these trials and none of that suffering is addressed by our justice system or indeed our media. Its also not shared by those making false rape allegations. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66201526OK.... Its a report of a trial which is itself a retrial of charges on which the jury could not reach a verdict. The previous trial is therefore entirely relevant. The only mention of the previous trial by the BBC is this: "The footballer, whose contract with Manchester City expired this month, was cleared at the earlier trial of six counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, relating to four young women or teenagers. But jurors failed to reach verdicts on two counts of rape and attempted rape, prompting a re-trial." That is it. Period. There is nothing else in there about the previous trial or charges. Unless I'm missing something. I must have read similar statements regarding retrials across multiple media sources thousands of times over the years. For a whole range of different offences. Yet in this case its not because "journalism" or "news reporting" its because of institutional bias. Obviously. The article also reports the defendant's solicitor as saying: "This is the second time that Mr Mendy has been tried and found not guilty by a jury. He is delighted that both juries reached the correct verdicts."Should they have omitted that because it refers to the offences of which he was found not guilty at the previous trial ? this is how the (Murdoch owning) Times has reported it: The sportsman was previously found not guilty of six rapes and one sexual assault, relating to four women, by a jury at a trial which ended in January, and cleared of one count of rape against another woman on the direction of the judge.
In total he has now been acquitted of eight rapes, one attempted rape, and one sexual assault against seven women following two trials. ... During the course of the two trials, jurors were presented with a lurid account of the off-pitch antics of some of the most famous and well-remunerated young men in the world, which often involved heavy late-night drinking of vodka and Dom Perignon champagne — and sex.
Mendy’s largesse was notorious among his Manchester City teammates. If there was a party to be had on a weekend, it was likely being held at the Frenchman’s gaudy mansion.
England stars including Jack Grealish were among those to pass through its electric gates and up the tree-lined drive in pursuit of a good time. So too did dozens of women, some as young as 17 and many of whom hardly knew the host — if at all — but were enticed by the prospect of meeting football’s biggest stars.etc. etc. etc. I'd copy and paste more, but I'd undoubtedly be into the realms of copyright breach, because there is probably at least 3 times that. Including this one liner: The last party Mendy was to hold in August 2021 was among the biggest and the most debauched.Good job the "liberal" ("aggressive liberals" ?) at the BBC aren't working for The Times, just think what their report might have said.
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Post by daveb on Jul 14, 2023 19:20:17 GMT
Aggressive Liberals have never liked anything about China but are no doubt ok with buying most of their consumer products from them. If China was to immediately stop exporting anything to the UK we'd be in very bad shape. Even the language - "penetration" when referring to trade and co-operation is disturbing. Do these Liberals not ever want some kind of world where we can all trade cooperatively and peacefully? Imagine the economic boost that would bring. But "no", we have to forever have some foe we have to compete with (at best). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66189243When I was doing history O level I learnt that one of the defining features of Liberals was a belief in free trade.
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Post by martin44 on Jul 14, 2023 20:40:29 GMT
Are you talking about an entirely scenario different to the one we began talking about? Gift the house, pay full rent for 7 years then stop but dont die.Trying to think outside the box here because none of your posts have said as such Ah... you noticed.
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