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Post by benaj on Aug 9, 2024 14:00:23 GMT
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about someone else unbanned him and he only uses his own platform. That’s a positive thing, right?
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 9, 2024 21:11:57 GMT
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Post by spiral on Aug 10, 2024 6:49:02 GMT
The interesting thing here is he could tackle them on discrimination due to the disability law which ensured he had to be interviewed. If that was me that was rejected, I would have no idea why and would just have to accept it. Its a shame that that law doesn't apply to everyone i.e. if you meet minimum eligibility criteria, you must be interviewed. I was also astounded that they had 298 applicants. When I was last involved in recruiting, it was more a case of accepting the least worst out of a handful of applicants and that was for skilled jobs, not minimum wage. Low wage jobs fared no better, perhaps just reaching double figures.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 10, 2024 7:19:45 GMT
The interesting thing here is he could tackle them on discrimination due to the disability law which ensured he had to be interviewed. If that was me that was rejected, I would have no idea why and would just have to accept it. Its a shame that that law doesn't apply to everyone i.e. if you meet minimum eligibility criteria, you must be interviewed. I was also astounded that they had 298 applicants. When I was last involved in recruiting, it was more a case of accepting the least worst out of a handful of applicants and that was for skilled jobs, not minimum wage. Low wage jobs fared no better, perhaps just reaching double figures.
At the time of posting I hadn't actually read the article beyond the headline and the first couple of sentences. From what I have read, it isn't a function of the disability law. Rather its an outcome of the Disability Confident Scheme. This is a voluntary scheme but one which the organisation is signed up to. It's that which created the requirement for them to interview if he met the eligibility criteria. TBH it looks like Age UK first had a significant slip up, and then hired a JCB and dug themselves a bl**dy great hole to drop themselves in. The latter being courtesy of their "Brand Identity Manager". Now, one fairly glaring question: why on earth was a "Brand Identity Manager" responding to the applicant on what was a recruitment process issue? That in itself speaks volumes. Fair do's to the guy in this case.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 10, 2024 7:57:05 GMT
The latter being courtesy of their "Brand Identity Manager". Now, one fairly glaring question: why on earth was a "Brand Identity Manager" responding to the applicant on what was a recruitment process issue? Because the job was reporting to them? "one of 298 applicants for a brand asset designer role."Doesn't even sound as if it was actually an age issue. "Cubbin is disabled by reason of mental health issues, and was therefore eligible for an automatic interview as Age UK has signed the government’s “disability confident scheme”."Nor does it sound as if they'd have had a chance at actually getting the job if they had been interviewed. "According to the tribunal’s report, Rebecca King, the charity’s brand identity manager, then sent Cubbin a post-application review that detailed the reasons that he failed to meet the criteria for the job.In that review, King criticised Cubbin for having a “limited” portfolio, lacking software skills — and she also cast doubt over his ability as a team player and criticised his qualifications."I helped a charity with interviewing for an IT tech job a few years back. Many of the applicants interviewed were utterly, utterly unsuitable and incapable.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 10, 2024 9:23:26 GMT
The latter being courtesy of their "Brand Identity Manager". Now, one fairly glaring question: why on earth was a "Brand Identity Manager" responding to the applicant on what was a recruitment process issue? .......<words> A case of rather selective reading I would suggest. Whether due to conscious or unconscious bias I wouldn't dare to assume. "The tribunal said that King conducted the review while being “well aware” that concluding that Cubbin met the minimum criteria for the role “would have been embarrassing and awkward”. She would also have been aware, said the tribunal, that the embarrassment could “very conveniently be avoided if the review concluded that he would not have met the essential criteria for the role”."In other words, the tribunal concluded that whatever King wrote in that post-application review was effectively worthless, as it was written with the objective of avoiding organisational embarrassment i.e. andthey considered it a case of post-facto justification for the already happened organisational failure. QED it could not be taken as a factual representation of Cubbin's suitability or otherwise. And rather pertinently: "Alexander Cubbin sued Age UK after he discovered that owing to an administrative internal blunder his application was never considered before it was rejected." Which rather reinforces the whole post-facto justification conclusion don't you think ? Yes we all know that. That was the initial grounds: if he was eligible then he had the right to an interview due to the voluntary scheme they had signed up to. But they didn't interview him, and: "The charity apologised to Cubbin and told him the person who got the job was 55, but in fact it later emerged that the successful candidate was in their thirties."
Might I suggest that their failure to interview what the tribunal considered an eligible candidate, aged 58, and the process resulted in the job being given to someone in their 30's is what constituted grounds for an age discrimination case. Of course it also seems that they tried to avoid the appearance of a potential age discrimination issue by telling a big fat porkie re. the age of the successful applicant. I know its a bit obvious but... I note by the way that you effectively say that because he had mental health disability issues, that would have been grounds for not giving him the job at all. I trust you don't REALLLLY mean that? Of course the actual grounds for them not giving an interview might have been because of his mental health issues. but then we come full circle back to their signed up commitments under the Disability Confident Scheme. That might be so, but by this time they had what was clearly a potential discrimination case on their hands, and at the very least a failure of their processes. At this point any sensible individual would have brought in the HR function. Or indeed if the original complaint came in via HR you would have thought they would have felt sensible for them to handle it: with what should be rather a fuller knowledge of both employment law and their procedures / guidance. Still, I put it up originally as a funny "ooops" story/headline. I wasn't really expecting to have to dissect an inaccurate analysis of the story. Oh, the relevance is ..... ? I mean, nearly all jobs will have their fair share of incapable applicants.
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Post by keitha on Aug 10, 2024 11:15:09 GMT
The interesting thing here is he could tackle them on discrimination due to the disability law which ensured he had to be interviewed. If that was me that was rejected, I would have no idea why and would just have to accept it. Its a shame that that law doesn't apply to everyone i.e. if you meet minimum eligibility criteria, you must be interviewed. I was also astounded that they had 298 applicants. When I was last involved in recruiting, it was more a case of accepting the least worst out of a handful of applicants and that was for skilled jobs, not minimum wage. Low wage jobs fared no better, perhaps just reaching double figures.
What 20-10 years ago when I was last involved experienced IT roles would get 50-100 applicants and roles requiring no experience would be 200-300. Mind you often easy to weed 50% out the ones who can't follow instructions, the ones with 15 years of experience is SQL or whatever despite only being 20. the one who write see attached CV in every box. the ones who attach unacceptable conditions, "I would like this role and would be good at it my preferred working hours are 4 till midnight, and I can only work from home"
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Post by spiral on Aug 10, 2024 12:57:32 GMT
the ones who attach unacceptable conditions, "I would like this role and would be good at it my preferred working hours are 4 till midnight, and I can only work from home" I recall one applicant who had given a reason for leaving a previous job as "didn't like the travelling" and then failing to note that we were even further away.
Another funny one I recall was someone that worked with horses who was now looking for a stable job.
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Post by keitha on Aug 11, 2024 21:45:36 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 23:15:57 GMT
In the Us, New Zealand and Weatherspoons, you pay for your fest coffee, then you can have as much as you like for free. I hope that's still true, I thought it was wonderful. And tea should cost 20p.
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Post by benaj on Aug 12, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
Not really amused, but this is the state of what journalists could report these days. 11yo and 34yo human stabbed in London, tea shop security stopped the attacker.
Not further details about the attacker and the victims.
Funny enough, the beeb could tell us more about the witness.
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Post by agent69 on Aug 12, 2024 15:57:11 GMT
Not further details about the attacker and the victims. Police must know who the attacker is. Failure to make details public just leads to wild speculation on social media (followed by further unrest).
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Post by adrianc on Aug 12, 2024 18:43:15 GMT
Police must know who the attacker is. Failure to make details public just leads to wild speculation on social media (followed by further unrest). Making them public hardly quells that. The knuckle-draggers just assume they know better and the police are lying. His identity will be known soon enough, when he appears in court. There's a bit more on the attacker from witnesses quoted in the Graun: "...the suspect in the attack was a white, skinny male wearing a black T-shirt and jeans. A man who did not wish to be named, said he saw the suspect earlier in the day “standing, doing nothing, eating and talking to himself as I saw”." ... "I think the guy was mentally disturbed. He is only a skinny guy. He didn’t say anything when they arrested him and took him to the van. It was like he was on drugs or something."
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Post by benaj on Aug 12, 2024 19:22:25 GMT
Fair point. An attacker, with mental issues and not carrying ID. A man would fit the description perfectly.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 13, 2024 6:37:50 GMT
Police must know who the attacker is. Failure to make details public just leads to wild speculation on social media (followed by further unrest). Making them public hardly quells that. The knuckle-draggers just assume they know better and the police are lying. His identity will be known soon enough, when he appears in court. 32yo homeless man named this morning following charge, appearing in court this morning. news.met.police.uk/news/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-after-leicester-square-stabbing-486855
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