michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 31, 2022 14:56:36 GMT
Is he going to resign,
be pushed out
or neither of the above ?
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Post by biscuitbri on Jan 31, 2022 16:22:28 GMT
I suppose we are all on a spectrum of wokeness and a spectrum of stupid.
My sister recently asked for a black coffee is a posh garden centre
Server " we don't use 'black' madam"
now I'm guessing someone was far left on the stupid and far right on the woke
Equally getting upset about using "chair" rather "chairman" might be left on the stupid and left on the woke spectrum
humans, you either love 'em or hate 'em
Have just bought a pack of 'Round the Horne' CDs, Woke version - 8 hours of blissful silence and none of that awful offence stuff.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 31, 2022 16:30:22 GMT
Is he going to resign, be pushed out or neither of the above ? Resign? Never in a month of Sundays. Pushed? Inevitably, but only when it's convenient to the 1922.
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Post by Steerpike on Jan 31, 2022 16:52:04 GMT
Is he going to resign, be pushed out or neither of the above ? A group of key workers were at the office throughout the pandemic, some of them had a glass of wine or a bit of cake while they were on the premises.
Doesn't seem particularly important let alone a resigning issue.
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Post by keitha on Jan 31, 2022 17:28:42 GMT
Is he going to resign, be pushed out or neither of the above ? If he resigns it will be at a time of his choosing I think 2026 The 1922 won't push unless the 2022 council elections are catastrophic.
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Post by keitha on Jan 31, 2022 17:32:26 GMT
A group of key workers were at the office throughout the pandemic, some of them had a glass of wine or a bit of cake while they were on the premises. Doesn't seem particularly important let alone a resigning issue.
The Sue Gray reports say there was a culture of drinking to excess, that to me is a bad sign, either high ups in Government knew about ot and by not clamping down condoned it or it is so ingrained that a wholesale clear out of staff is needed. people need to remember some of these civil servants continue in post whoever is the ruling party.
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 31, 2022 17:39:06 GMT
Is he going to resign, be pushed out or neither of the above ? A group of key workers were at the office throughout the pandemic, some of them had a glass of wine or a bit of cake while they were on the premises.
Doesn't seem particularly important let alone a resigning issue.
This was the guy that had the country under virtual house arrest. Terrifying us all into following the rules. Unlike probably most here, I don't start from a position of disliking him. I liked very much that he finally implemented the referendum and all looked good. I haven't liked that he doesn't seem to work particularly hard and I don't like his "play it safe - lets just do what all the other countries are doing" with regard to the pandemic. These piss-ups are the last straw for me. 1922 beckons....
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Post by adrianc on Jan 31, 2022 17:53:54 GMT
I liked very much that he finally implemented the referendum Well, hold on one minute... Brexit would have been "implemented" in January 2019, except his friends in the ERG actively delayed it by a year, by voting down May's deal. They then "implemented" it by changing the NI Backstop to the current NI Protocol, and calling the deal "oven-ready". Except that his government are now trying to renege upon the protocol, telling us that it's the worst thing ever.
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Post by james100 on Jan 31, 2022 18:49:01 GMT
A group of key workers were at the office throughout the pandemic, some of them had a glass of wine or a bit of cake while they were on the premises.
Doesn't seem particularly important let alone a resigning issue.
This was the guy that had the country under virtual house arrest. Terrifying us all into following the rules. Unlike probably most here, I don't start from a position of disliking him. I liked very much that he finally implemented the referendum and all looked good. I haven't liked that he doesn't seem to work particularly hard and I don't like his "play it safe - lets just do what all the other countries are doing" with regard to the pandemic. These piss-ups are the last straw for me. 1922 beckons.... I definitely started from a position of disliking him, because he's a massive liar*. Not the everyday little lies I'm sure we're all guilty of from time to time. Big fat ones for sex and cash. He's been sacked as a journalist specifically for lying. He's even previously been sacked from the Tory party specifically for lying! ... I honestly have no idea why anyone though he'd *stop* lying when he got the top job and won the opportunity to lie to the entire country (including the Queen). The good news is that he's such an enormous liar, there's loads of ammo lying (haha!) around for the Tory machine to use when they chose to evict him. Which will be necessary given he's a narcissist with no sense of personal accountability. This week partygate, next week Acuri....it's just a matter of time. I can't wait. *not the only reason though
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 19:13:34 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Jan 31, 2022 19:33:00 GMT
You hear a lot of noise from people who owe Johnson their careers like Brandon Lewis, Mad Nad and Rees Mogg, but the game's up whenever the back benchers want to call it.
Tories probably best advised to let Johnson hang on for the next 12 months to absorb the blows of the May council elections and the fuel price rises and cost of living crisis, then turf him out early 2023 for someone with an air of competence and honesty like Sunak or indeed Tom Tugendhat.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 31, 2022 19:43:44 GMT
Tories probably best advised to let Johnson hang on for the next 12 months to absorb the blows of the May council elections and the fuel price rises and cost of living crisis, then turf him out early 2023 for someone with an air of competence and honesty like Sunak or indeed Tom Tugendhat. The general election is a hard deadline, May 2024. They definitely don't want BJ Piffle leading them into that... Holding off isn't the obvious answer, either. The longer they leave him in place, the longer the smell remains. Sunak? If the cost of living doesn't get under control, he'll take the blame as chancellor. Tugendwho? Anonymity is perhaps his biggest advantage. But there's easy meat for his opponents when it comes to the membership's vote... Inexperience (only been an MP since 2015, never a minister), a remoaner (albeit quickly recanted) in 2016 with European bigwiggery amongst his relations (his uncle was ennobled after being a Commissioner then VP of the European Commission, his wife is French, and his father-in-law is a senior OSCE negotiator on Ukraine).
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Post by agent69 on Jan 31, 2022 19:50:47 GMT
Tories probably best advised to let Johnson hang on for the next 12 months to absorb the blows of the May council elections and the fuel price rises and cost of living crisis, then turf him out early 2023 for someone with an air of competence and honesty like Sunak or indeed Tom Tugendhat. The general election is a hard deadline, May 2024. They definitely don't want BJ Piffle leading them into that... Holding off isn't the obvious answer, either. The longer they leave him in place, the longer the smell remains. Sunak? If the cost of living doesn't get under control, he'll take the blame as chancellor. Tugendwho? Anonymity is perhaps his biggest advantage. But there's easy meat for his opponents when it comes to the membership's vote... Inexperience (only been an MP since 2015, never a minister), a remoaner (albeit quickly recanted) in 2016 with European bigwiggery amongst his relations (his uncle was ennobled after being a Commissioner then VP of the European Commission, his wife is French, and his father-in-law is a senior OSCE negotiator on Ukraine). Or Tom Tugendtw*t as he's know to some of his back bench colleagues.
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Post by captainconfident on Jan 31, 2022 19:51:14 GMT
Tories probably best advised to let Johnson hang on for the next 12 months to absorb the blows of the May council elections and the fuel price rises and cost of living crisis, then turf him out early 2023 for someone with an air of competence and honesty like Sunak or indeed Tom Tugendhat. The general election is a hard deadline, May 2024. They definitely don't want BJ Piffle leading them into that... Holding off isn't the obvious answer, either. The longer they leave him in place, the longer the smell remains. Sunak? If the cost of living doesn't get under control, he'll take the blame as chancellor. Tugendwho? Anonymity is perhaps his biggest advantage. But there's easy meat for his opponents when it comes to the membership's vote... Inexperience (only been an MP since 2015, never a minister), a remoaner (albeit quickly recanted) in 2016 with European bigwiggery amongst his relations (his uncle was ennobled after being a Commissioner then VP of the European Commission, his wife is French, and his father-in-law is a senior OSCE negotiator on Ukraine). But he sounds intelligent and competent. Doesn't that count for anything?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 31, 2022 19:57:21 GMT
I'll just leave this here.
Ultimately, the abridged report confirms what was known: a prime minister who enacted the most swingeing peacetime restrictions on personal freedoms did not feel these laws applied to him or his staff. This is a fundamental breach of trust with the people, who overwhelmingly complied with the restrictions. A government that does not follow the laws it sets forfeits moral authority and legitimacy.
(Courtesy of the FT)
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