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Post by overthehill on Feb 18, 2022 14:44:04 GMT
Volkswagen not content with polluting the air are now trying to pollute the oceans!
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Post by keitha on Feb 18, 2022 16:20:59 GMT
Personally, I think she's got a point, and I am by no means a leftie. I'm just fed up with the whole lot of them. Princess Anne would make a good monarch, but that will never happen, so forget them. I for one have always supported the monarchy, but the Andrew formerly known as Prince, Harry and Mee again have made me rethink that support. But for me the final straw is Camilla being crowned, that I for one will not accept.
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Post by tallsuk on Feb 18, 2022 16:55:04 GMT
Personally, I think she's got a point, and I am by no means a leftie. I'm just fed up with the whole lot of them. Princess Anne would make a good monarch, but that will never happen, so forget them. I for one have always supported the monarchy, but the Andrew formerly known as Prince, Harry and Mee again have made me rethink that support. But for me the final straw is Camilla being crowned, that I for one will not accept. I am a very long way from a monarchist and I do like the French approach but the issue I have that stops me from demanding the seperation of head and body is what do we replace them with? I can imagine a long line of horrible slimey ex politicians lining up to take the role of president and demanding a huge pay cheque for their service.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 18, 2022 19:00:12 GMT
Personally, I think she's got a point, and I am by no means a leftie. I'm just fed up with the whole lot of them. Princess Anne would make a good monarch, but that will never happen, so forget them. I for one have always supported the monarchy, but the Andrew formerly known as Prince, Harry and Mee again have made me rethink that support. But for me the final straw is Camilla being crowned, that I for one will not accept.Why ? She's not going to be the monarch. She isn't in line to the throne. She's just a peripheral. Why would that change one's view over the status of the monarchy.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 18, 2022 19:03:01 GMT
I for one have always supported the monarchy, but the Andrew formerly known as Prince, Harry and Mee again have made me rethink that support. But for me the final straw is Camilla being crowned, that I for one will not accept. I am a very long way from a monarchist and I do like the French approach but the issue I have that stops me from demanding the seperation of head and body is what do we replace them with? I can imagine a long line of horrible slimey ex politicians lining up to take the role of president and demanding a huge pay cheque for their service. although the Ireland model is not necessarily a bad one: the President is primarily figurehead, and it doesn't seem to ever be taken by 'slimey ex pols', possibly precisely because it is a figure head position.
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Post by tallsuk on Feb 18, 2022 22:08:58 GMT
I am a very long way from a monarchist and I do like the French approach but the issue I have that stops me from demanding the seperation of head and body is what do we replace them with? I can imagine a long line of horrible slimey ex politicians lining up to take the role of president and demanding a huge pay cheque for their service. although the Ireland model is not necessarily a bad one: the President is primarily figurehead, and it doesn't seem to ever be taken by 'slimey ex pols', possibly precisely because it is a figure head position. I dont know enough about irish politics to say whether or not the word slimy is appropriate but all but one of the presidents have been former politicians. Mary McAleese beat two ex-politicians in the the presidential election and she was a very political figure, she just lost the election where she stood to become a traditional politician. Although Presidents are often just figureheads they are almost always ex-politicians as they are the ones who have the electoral machine behind them and the parties are more than willing to have one of theirs in the figurehead role for the kudos it brings the party. If we were to get rid of the monarchy, who are genuine figureheads that do bring in some tourist cash, it would just lead to Boris v Blair type elections that would be pointless popularity contests. Whilst it is a terrible reason for keeping the German cash sucking layabouts in place it is enough of a reason. Please someone come up with something better.
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Post by keitha on Feb 18, 2022 22:15:08 GMT
I for one have always supported the monarchy, but the Andrew formerly known as Prince, Harry and Mee again have made me rethink that support. But for me the final straw is Camilla being crowned, that I for one will not accept.Why ? She's not going to be the monarch. She isn't in line to the throne. She's just a peripheral. Why would that change one's view over the status of the monarchy. Because at the end of the day I hold her responsible in part for the death of Diana
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Post by registerme on Feb 19, 2022 0:05:01 GMT
I care less about the system per se and more about how accountable those in power are. All systems are fragile, fallible, and exploitable.
Just look at what's happened in the US over the last few years.
fwiw, whilst I'm not a diehard royalist, I'm a fan of her maj. Charles is a wash. We've yet to see what will become of William. That having been said it's a system that's, more or less, with plenty of muddling through, worked extremely well for this country for a very, very long time.
I'd hesitate before discarding it.
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 19, 2022 2:13:16 GMT
Volkswagen not content with polluting the air are now trying to pollute the oceans!
, says the Portuguese navy. Hmm... either it lost something in translation or they haven't spotted 200 metres and 60,000 tons of burning vessel billowing acrid smoke 50m into the sky and blotting out most of the horizon...  
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Post by rocky1 on Feb 19, 2022 6:41:36 GMT
maybe it is time for change.lets skip a generation and see william and catherine as our figureheads.charles and camilla could carry on doing what their doing and enjoy retirement.a fresh start with two of the most liked and respected people in the world.a couple who are more in tune with the needs of our country that has changed and diversified so much in the past 20/30 years.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 19, 2022 8:04:46 GMT
Why ? She's not going to be the monarch. She isn't in line to the throne. She's just a peripheral. Why would that change one's view over the status of the monarchy. Because at the end of the day I hold her responsible in part for the death of Diana Do go on... If we're going with the "other woman drove her away" line, then I'd love to see the logic that holds Camilla responsible more than Charles...
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Post by adrianc on Feb 19, 2022 8:07:21 GMT
I am a very long way from a monarchist and I do like the French approach but the issue I have that stops me from demanding the seperation of head and body is what do we replace them with? I can imagine a long line of horrible slimey ex politicians lining up to take the role of president and demanding a huge pay cheque for their service. although the Ireland model is not necessarily a bad one: the President is primarily figurehead, and it doesn't seem to ever be taken by 'slimey ex pols', possibly precisely because it is a figure head position. Most countries with President and PM have one or the other as the predominant position. France - President predominant, PM appointed by pres as functionary. Germany - Chancellor (PM) predominant, President nominal figurehead.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 19, 2022 8:18:16 GMT
Because at the end of the day I hold her responsible in part for the death of Diana Do go on... If we're going with the "other woman drove her away" line, then I'd love to see the logic that holds Camilla responsible more than Charles... They should have let Charles marry Camilla in the first place, rather than send him off round the world, it would have saved a lot of trouble.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 19, 2022 8:29:40 GMT
Do go on... If we're going with the "other woman drove her away" line, then I'd love to see the logic that holds Camilla responsible more than Charles... They should have let Charles marry Camilla in the first place, rather than send him off round the world, it would have saved a lot of trouble. Mebbe, mebbe not. But surely that should have been history once Camilla married P-B in 1973? Following your line suggests that even if P-B was happy with Camilla having an ongoing affair with Charlie, Charlie should never have married Di in the first place - and, once he did, should have kept it zipped... Back to being firmly Charlie's fault, no?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 19, 2022 9:06:26 GMT
They should have let Charles marry Camilla in the first place, rather than send him off round the world, it would have saved a lot of trouble. Mebbe, mebbe not. But surely that should have been history once Camilla married P-B in 1973? Following your line suggests that even if P-B was happy with Camilla having an ongoing affair with Charlie, Charlie should never have married Di in the first place - and, once he did, should have kept it zipped... Back to being firmly Charlie's fault, no? Camilla gave up on Charles and married someone else after he was sent off, I think Charles started his marriage with good intentions, but he and Diana were so different in age, temperament and interests. I don't know when Charles and Camilla got back together, or when Diana started dallying, they were both unhappy with the situation.
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