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Post by adrianc on Mar 8, 2022 11:55:21 GMT
Workplace bullying isn't exactly amusing, no matter who does it.
I suspect that similar rigour applied to many other senior politicians would find similar. We know there are credible allegations against at least one of the "big three" officeholders.
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Post by keitha on Mar 8, 2022 12:22:47 GMT
Workplace bullying isn't exactly amusing, no matter who does it. I suspect that similar rigour applied to many other senior politicians would find similar. We know there are credible allegations against at least one of the "big three" officeholder Personally I found him an odious little man. Bullying is a difficult issue in the workplace As a manager I was reported to HR for bullying because I chased someone over a piece of work that was late. but then I reported my manager for demanding that I be available to answer phone calls and emails outside of working hours and whilst on holiday. Having said that he once rang me on my personal mobile because my work one was engaged, He also slapped a complaint into HR that I was only working 42 hours a week, the response from HR was that my contract was actually 37 hours a week so if he wanted me to work more than 42 hours he needed to pay me overtime not just for the hours above 42 but all the hours above 37. one persons bullying is anothers management If the Boss asked me to make coffee for him and others in a meeting I'd do it others regarded it as demeaning and bullying
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Post by adrianc on Mar 8, 2022 12:26:20 GMT
Personally I found him an odious little man. How much of that is because you disagreed with what was reported to be his political stance?
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Post by keitha on Mar 8, 2022 12:39:41 GMT
None I just disliked his attitude, and his contempt for conventions
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 8, 2022 12:44:52 GMT
Workplace bullying isn't exactly amusing, no matter who does it.I suspect that similar rigour applied to many other senior politicians would find similar. We know there are credible allegations against at least one of the "big three" officeholders. Fully agree with that, and hopefully my post made that clear, not that it should have needed to. Workplace bullying is unconscionable and should not be tolerated. Unfortunately, there are quite a few organisations where it is either endemic and encouraged by the culture, or is simply ignored. I know, I spent a number of years at such a place, where the management culture was awful. Fortunately it did improve a bit over time, in my experience, but still behaviours I would not tolerate if I had control were far too common. It's particularly bad because not only is it demeaning and emotionally damaging as all bullying is, but the fact that one's liveliehood is intrinsically tied in makes it especially problematic. No number of mandatory annual electronic courses will eradicate it if the wrong culture is intrinsic to large swathes of the organisation: they are just a tick box exercise to help the corporate lawyers.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 8, 2022 12:52:21 GMT
Workplace bullying isn't exactly amusing, no matter who does it. I suspect that similar rigour applied to many other senior politicians would find similar. We know there are credible allegations against at least one of the "big three" officeholder
Bullying is a difficult issue in the workplace As a manager I was reported to HR for bullying because I chased someone over a piece of work that was late. but then I reported my manager for demanding that I be available to answer phone calls and emails outside of working hours and whilst on holiday. Having said that he once rang me on my personal mobile because my work one was engaged, He also slapped a complaint into HR that I was only working 42 hours a week, the response from HR was that my contract was actually 37 hours a week so if he wanted me to work more than 42 hours he needed to pay me overtime not just for the hours above 42 but all the hours above 37. one persons bullying is anothers management If the Boss asked me to make coffee for him and others in a meeting I'd do it others regarded it as demeaning and bullyingWhy not just an 'odious man' ? Or 'odious egotistical man'. Why is that phrase so invariably joined with the adjective 'little' ? Is that because 'little man' is itself intended as a form of insult so it kind of doubles down ? Or because people like to perpetuate the idea that 'little' men have some form of 'Napolean' syndrome, because they are short, and hence its use is as an 'explainer'. Bercow is indeed short. But if instead they were a bit on the lardy side, one wouldn't think about referring to an 'odious fat man' or an 'odious fat woman'. And if they were of above average height, the phrase 'odious tall man' wouldn't easily trip of your fingertips. Rant over. Regarding making the boss coffee. I've always found that offering to make the coffee / tea is a way of avoiding the situation in the first place. And by offerring to get it for others at the same time, makes the point one is doing it because of respect and consideration to all. But I have to say, I've never been in a situation where a senior has asked me to make them coffee in the sense intended above. But I wouldn't consider it bullying in the slightest, unless it happened time and time again.
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Post by james100 on Mar 8, 2022 13:39:33 GMT
<snip> Regarding making the boss coffee. I've always found that offering to make the coffee / tea is a way of avoiding the situation in the first place. And by offerring to get it for others at the same time, makes the point one is doing it because of respect and consideration to all. But I have to say, I've never been in a situation where a senior has asked me to make them coffee in the sense intended above. But I wouldn't consider it bullying in the slightest, unless it happened time and time again. Well that's the thing isn't it...context...it might be different if one was a member of the biological sex more frequently compartmentalized into catering chores within a work environment, irrespective of their professional role and contribution. Once upon a time a very capable female manager I knew was working in a male dominated environment and got tired of the disproportionate number requests to provide refreshments that came her way. Fortunately, workplace confrontation was avoided when a series of unfortunate sugar / salt mix ups prompted her unofficial demotion from this important role.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 8, 2022 14:03:16 GMT
<snip> Regarding making the boss coffee. I've always found that offering to make the coffee / tea is a way of avoiding the situation in the first place. And by offerring to get it for others at the same time, makes the point one is doing it because of respect and consideration to all. But I have to say, I've never been in a situation where a senior has asked me to make them coffee in the sense intended above. But I wouldn't consider it bullying in the slightest, unless it happened time and time again. Well that's the thing isn't it...context...it might be different if one was a member of the biological sex more frequently compartmentalized into catering chores within a work environment, irrespective of their professional role and contribution. Once upon a time a very capable female manager I knew was working in a male dominated environment and got tired of the disproportionate number requests to provide refreshments that came her way. Fortunately, workplace confrontation was avoided when a series of unfortunate sugar / salt mix ups prompted her unofficial demotion from this important role. yes but note my last point: Until it happened "time and time again". What I really intended to convey, was if I had been singled out in preference to others. And then I would not take at all kindly to it, and if I was female in an otherwise male setup, I would assume a level of sexism involved (but again, I've never worked in an environment where that even came into it); and if I was male I would assume a level of individual bullying (and yes the latter could also apply to the former situation, obviously).
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Post by jo on Mar 18, 2022 8:12:18 GMT
Joe Biden at the annual Friends of Ireland lunch: 'I may be Irish, but I'm not stupid'. The irony being that both claims in that statement are wrong.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 8:40:43 GMT
But he is not stupid, merely he has a cultural belief that immigrants and children of immigrants all around the world have.
Are children of Ukrainians in the UK worried about their homeland? Do Pakistani descendants still think about their homeland? Did British expats and their descendants in Australia still talk about the "home country"?
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Post by benaj on Mar 18, 2022 14:32:57 GMT
Big man doing a Z show for his country -“за россию”
“For” a better world without Nazism?
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Post by keitha on Mar 18, 2022 15:46:59 GMT
But he is not stupid, merely he has a cultural belief that immigrants and children of immigrants all around the world have.
Are children of Ukrainians in the UK worried about their homeland? Do Pakistani descendants still think about their homeland? Did British expats and their descendants in Australia still talk about the "home country"?
I think in the UK etc they see themselves as British, however in America they claim lineage going back 6-8 generations, 30 million Americans claim to be Irish American. However Id say that children of immigrants do still regard Ukraine, Pakistan etc as the homeland,I suppose some of it will depend on how many family members are still there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 16:22:53 GMT
I know one English guy who still sees himself as one who was thrown out of France (well Belgium but before Belgium was created) as part of the removal of Protestants by the King at the time. British culture generally tries to supress these views, US culture amplifies these views.
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