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Post by archie on Jan 18, 2022 17:55:23 GMT
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Jan 18, 2022 17:58:54 GMT
how much will that cost council tax payers either £38 or £52 Million 200,000 population so lets say 75000 properties , this is a loss per household of £500 ( assuming the 38million is right ) which will be paid by the council tax payer, questions need to be asked of the authority
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Post by adrianc on Jan 18, 2022 18:34:42 GMT
It'll cost them the £18m of their shareholding.
I doubt they underwrote the losses.
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 18, 2022 18:48:54 GMT
It'll cost them the £18m of their shareholding. I doubt they underwrote the losses. £18m investment +£20m loan = £38m. Later in the article a local MP refers to £52m of public money invested in the business. It's not clear where that comes from. Guardian suggests this includes guarantees. www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/18/bristol-energy-owner-is-latest-uk-supplier-to-go-bustNot clear whether the plug was pulled in time for any part of the loan to be recoverable, or whether they will be liable under the guarantees.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 11:34:43 GMT
Now that
1) Russia is demonstrating that energy via Ukraine or energy across from the Baltic into the European market is going to be a political weapon whenever the Kremlin wants to steal a bit of land and
2) When the people of Kazakhstan feel that having a non-gangster government the same Russia will send in a helpful 3000 "police" to tidy that problem up. That Kazakhstan is the world's main source of Uranium is just a minor issue but clearly demonstrates again Russia wants to control our energy prices and
3) Due to the above green energy is by far the cheapest energy you can buy in this country and across most of Europe
Please, do the right thing and stop handling your energy "testicles" to Russia's gentle hands and invest in green energy
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Post by iRobot on Jan 19, 2022 11:42:08 GMT
Now that
1) Russia is demonstrating that energy via Ukraine or energy across from the Baltic into the European market is going to be a political weapon whenever the Kremlin wants to steal a bit of land and
2) When the people of Kazakhstan feel that having a non-gangster government the same Russia will send in a helpful 3000 "police" to tidy that problem up. That Kazakhstan is the world's main source of Uranium is just a minor issue but clearly demonstrates again Russia wants to control our energy prices and
3) Due to the above green energy is by far the cheapest energy you can buy in this country and across most of Europe Please, do the right thing and stop handling your energy "testicles" to Russia's gentle hands and invest in green energy
"energy testicles" - they're not the same thing as power balls are they? Hope not!
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Post by adrianc on Jan 19, 2022 11:58:17 GMT
Please, do the right thing and stop handling your energy "testicles" to Russia's gentle hands and invest in green energy
"energy testicles" - they're not the same thing as power balls are they? Hope not! Surely you, of all posters, should know...? (My first thought was these...)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 13:37:25 GMT
Of course there are worse things than rising electricity bills
Kazakhstan unrest: 'If you protest again, we'll kill you'
Ah the pleasure of living in a police state in collaboration with Putin the "democrat"
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Post by adrianc on Jan 21, 2022 14:06:55 GMT
Of course there are worse things than rising electricity bills
Kazakhstan unrest: 'If you protest again, we'll kill you'
Ah the pleasure of living in a police state in collaboration with Putin the "democrat"
Thank goodness we don't have a government that's trying to stop any form of inconvenient protest ever taking place...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 14:10:45 GMT
that is true, you'll note that we are allowed to discuss this, protest against it and vote against it unlike some other poor saps
let's not be fooled into comparing a democratic government as equal to a government with one person one vote (just the one vote mind you and the one person). I see the Mail managed to note that Oil comes from Kazakstan, but forgot to mention the Uranium, what a ignorant rag.
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Post by westcountryfunder on Jan 21, 2022 14:39:57 GMT
Now that
3) Due to the above green energy is by far the cheapest energy you can buy in this country and across most of Europe
Please, do the right thing and stop handling your energy "testicles" to Russia's gentle hands and invest in green energy
Yes, yes. I agree in theory. But by 'green energy' I assume you mean primarily wind/solar electricity. My supplier provides 100% green electricity even though it comes along the same wires as anyone else's (yes, I know how it's supposed to work). It's far from cheap on the present capped tariff, and increasing substantially in April apparently, and again in October if today's paper is to be believed. Maybe the capped tariff for truly green energy should be set at a lower level. We need a meaningful incentive to move from gas to electricity, so transfer of green levies away from electricity to gas might be helpful. This needs to happen otherwise the economics of installing a heat pump become questionable; at any one time it depends upon relative gas/electricity prices, and the future is largely guesswork. But although a loaded gas price would encourage such a move, how are consumers expected to cope in the meantime?
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Post by keitha on Jan 21, 2022 15:00:40 GMT
it's all bull and you should know it people in the UK on 100% green suppliers use more electricity that the UK produces in green electricity. there is a lot of trading of green certificates in the background to make it look greener.
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Post by Steerpike on Jan 21, 2022 15:17:09 GMT
it's all bull and you should know it people in the UK on 100% green suppliers use more electricity that the UK produces in green electricity. there is a lot of trading of green certificates in the background to make it look greener. Octopus assert that their electricity is 100% green because of a combination of their investments in renewable generation, PPAs, and REGOs.
OFGEM administer the REGO scheme and I have not seen evidence to prove that either Octopus or OFGEM are making false claims.
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Post by keitha on Jan 21, 2022 15:28:57 GMT
I didn't say octopus were, indeed I'm a customer too and think they are much greener than the others.
technically as I use 2000kWh or so a year and my solar produces just over 3000kWh I could claim to be totally green but ...
Trading green energy certificates is a bad idea
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Post by keitha on Jan 21, 2022 15:32:31 GMT
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