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Post by captainconfident on Jul 8, 2024 17:46:40 GMT
Or its a KH101 cruise missile ... it has the ramjet under the tail and a blunt nose. Image is too blurry to determine. (There are hi-def images that are conclusive but with AI difficult to trust) Of course, if Russia wasn't lobbing missiles at cities then AD missiles would be on the ground. No no, this is the game where people throw themselves out of buildings, shoot down civilian airliners and ingest poisons in order to make Russia look bad. Ukraine will have blown up their own hospital. Its just a question of repeating it enough times to make it true.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 8, 2024 17:49:39 GMT
Source:https://t.me/ukraina_ru/207772 ukraina.ru is a brand of Rossiya Segodnya, owned and operated by... You guessed it! The Russian government. The name means "Russia Today", although they swear blind they aren't actually affiliated to RT, despite both having the same name and being owned by the same government. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiya_SegodnyaSo, basically, this is the Russians saying "Wasn't us, it was them. Honest.".
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 8, 2024 18:24:50 GMT
Two ? And backup set of related questions, why does either side do this? I don't believe anyone is a monster. What is the war aim? The obvious answer is because Putin and his command chain don't give the first flying toss. I'm sure Mr Angry will suggest that the naughty USA put missile launchers on the roof, or something. (See also: Israel)
Nope it wouldnt surprise me at all if one of the hundreds of missiles Russia fires at Ukraine hit a hospital. All I have ever said was the US is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia, I never said I think Putin and the Russian military are the Red Cross, from what I can tell they are ruthlessly slaughtering the Ukrainian military *.
* - Although they are a bunch of peace loving hippies compared to their forefathers in the Red Army.
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Post by rscal on Jul 8, 2024 18:31:10 GMT
Source:https://t.me/ukraina_ru/207772 ukraina.ru is a brand of Rossiya Segodnya, owned and operated by... You guessed it! The Russian government. The name means "Russia Today", although they swear blind they aren't actually affiliated to RT, despite both having the same name and being owned by the same government. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiya_SegodnyaSo, basically, this is the Russians saying "Wasn't us, it was them. Honest.". A propos of this? x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1810328039643136087But you aren't sure it was not a falling AD missile are you? For you it's the pedigree of the journalism that makes your mind up about the incident. I offered it for discussion because it is relatively factual - speaking in generalities and not claiming more than the evdience can support. Is that video a fake too then? To me it appears authentic enough to be able to tell what appears to be a medium sized bang from a bunker-busting one. That's why I think it was [more likely] an AD missile.
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Post by overthehill on Jul 8, 2024 18:47:39 GMT
Or its a KH101 cruise missile ... it has the ramjet under the tail and a blunt nose. Image is too blurry to determine. (There are hi-def images that are conclusive but with AI difficult to trust) Of course, if Russia wasn't lobbing missiles at cities then AD missiles would be on the ground.
Another missile from a plane effectively protected by Joe 'I want to lose to Donald Trump' Biden.
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Post by registerme on Jul 8, 2024 19:05:56 GMT
All I have ever said was the US is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia They wouldn't have the opportunity to had Russia not invaded Ukraine.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 8, 2024 19:17:09 GMT
All I have ever said was the US is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia They wouldn't have the opportunity to had Russia not invaded Ukraine.
I havent said I agree with any of it, but this conflict did not start on 24 February 2022.
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Post by registerme on Jul 8, 2024 19:27:36 GMT
You're right. I should have ended my sentence with "... in 2014".
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Post by k6 on Jul 8, 2024 19:28:54 GMT
They wouldn't have the opportunity to had Russia not invaded Ukraine.
I have said I agree with any of it, but this conflict did not start on 24 February 2022.
For once you right , it did not started 24 Feb 2022 but actually In February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it sending its Green slaves
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 9, 2024 6:03:20 GMT
I have said I agree with any of it, but this conflict did not start on 24 February 2022.
For once you right , it did not started 24 Feb 2022 but actually In February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it sending its Green slaves The problem with the Crimea argument is it is historically part of Russia and primarily populated by Russians who want to be part of Russia and ruled by Putin. Although technically the Russians invaded Crimea is not like the US and UK invading Iraq. Similar arguments could be made for some of the parts of Eastern Ukraine Russia has also invaded.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 9, 2024 7:07:44 GMT
For once you right , it did not started 24 Feb 2022 but actually In February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it sending its Green slaves The problem with the Crimea argument is it is historically part of Russia Yeh, and Calais and Mumbai are both historically part of the UK, while Paris is historically part of Germany.
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Post by markyg61 on Jul 9, 2024 7:25:55 GMT
I'm sorry but Crimea and the four regions ARE still Ukraine in the eyes of international law.
Just because putin organised sham referendums does NOT mean the populous wanted to be russian. How can you have a free and fair referendum when you are in a state of war and when people are being escorted to polling stations by soldiers with AK's in arms.
Russia is just a terrorist, fascist state going for a land grab to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence. Had the Ukrainians not fought back as well as they did, Kiev would now be under russian control.
I for one want to see the West do more, provide more and make it known under no certain terms will russia prevail !
Russia must not benefit in any way or form from this endeavour.
Kick it out of every international body, function, group be it in diplomacy, sport or culture.
Rose tinted glasses, maybe...rant over !
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Post by registerme on Jul 9, 2024 8:35:09 GMT
ukraina.ru is a brand of Rossiya Segodnya, owned and operated by... You guessed it! The Russian government. The name means "Russia Today", although they swear blind they aren't actually affiliated to RT, despite both having the same name and being owned by the same government. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiya_SegodnyaSo, basically, this is the Russians saying "Wasn't us, it was them. Honest.". A propos of this? x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1810328039643136087But you aren't sure it was not a falling AD missile are you? For you it's the pedigree of the journalism that makes your mind up about the incident. I offered it for discussion because it is relatively factual - speaking in generalities and not claiming more than the evdience can support. Is that video a fake too then? To me it appears authentic enough to be able to tell what appears to be a medium sized bang from a bunker-busting one. That's why I think it was [more likely] an AD missile. Let's say it was a AD missile. Let me ask you a question. Why would one fire one?
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Post by k6 on Jul 9, 2024 10:17:45 GMT
For once you right , it did not started 24 Feb 2022 but actually In February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it sending its Green slaves The problem with the Crimea argument is it is historically part of Russia and primarily populated by Russians who want to be part of Russia and ruled by Putin. Although technically the Russians invaded Crimea is not like the US and UK invading Iraq. Similar arguments could be made for some of the parts of Eastern Ukraine Russia has also invaded. You are absolutely pathetic . You running out of arguments , mate . How are you gonna keep those rubles pouring in now ? Recent child hospital boobed by your comrades , utterly disgusting. You might as well just blame UK for it and keep conversation rolling .
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Post by michaelc on Jul 9, 2024 12:23:33 GMT
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