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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 26, 2024 9:24:42 GMT
Just for you angrysaveruk , because I know how much you enjoy his content. As I have said a number of times this guy needs to sort his brain waves out, they are a bit jumbled. The best thing that can happen for Ukraine is a Trump victory which will force them into a deal with Russia - since they cannot win under any circumstances. The worst outcome is the pro war with Russia Neo-Cons* in the US continue to support Zelensky and the War leading to a continuation of the horrific slaughter that is currently taking place and ultimately the destruction/collapse of Ukraine which will probably be split up into smaller countries (Poland and Hungary might take parts of Western Ukraine if the country falls into Anarchy). Although kleptocrats like Von der Leyen are not smart enough to realise it, this is also in the best interest of the EU since if Ukraine collapses it will also see a massive refugee crisis which will cause political instability. Personally I think Russia would rather enter negotiations so probably would like to see Trump win - since they do not seem that keen on killing large numbers of Ukrainians. * - Although I doubt she is a warmonger like the sociopath Biden, Harris is probably not going to be the type of person who will go up against the Neo-Con Deep state in the way the Trump has (who coincidently recently survived a very close assassination attempt)
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Post by michaelc on Jul 26, 2024 18:04:55 GMT
I mostly agree except for the bit about Poland grabbing western parts of Ukr. (Did you mean to say Eastern?)
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Post by k6 on Jul 26, 2024 18:28:41 GMT
Just for you angrysaveruk , because I know how much you enjoy his content. As I have said a number of times this guy needs to sort his brain waves out, they are a bit jumbled. The best thing that can happen for Ukraine is a Trump victory which will force them into a deal with Russia - since they cannot win under any circumstances. The worst outcome is the pro war with Russia Neo-Cons* in the US continue to support Zelensky and the War leading to a continuation of the horrific slaughter that is currently taking place and ultimately the destruction/collapse of Ukraine which will probably be split up into smaller countries ( Poland and Hungary might take parts of Eastern Ukraine if the country falls into Anarchy). Although kleptocrats like Von der Leyen are not smart enough to realise it, this is also in the best interest of the EU since if Ukraine collapses it will also see a massive refugee crisis which will cause political instability. Personally I think Russia would rather enter negotiations so probably would like to see Trump win - since they do not seem that keen on killing large numbers of Ukrainians.* - Although I doubt she is a warmonger like the sociopath Biden, Harris is probably not going to be the type of person who will go up against the Neo-Con Deep state in the way the Trump has (who coincidently recently survived a very close assassination attempt) What a pile of nonsense. All of those highlighted. So you wish Trump forced Ukraine to surrender ? Interesting ( not ) Poland and Hungary taking parts of Ukraine ? this is some sort of deep fiction / fantasy russia not keen on killing ? where have you been for the last 2 years then. russia a bunch of degenerates, killing whoever they feel like. Stealing, raping as they move Pathetic
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Post by michaelc on Jul 26, 2024 19:21:27 GMT
As I have said a number of times this guy needs to sort his brain waves out, they are a bit jumbled. The best thing that can happen for Ukraine is a Trump victory which will force them into a deal with Russia - since they cannot win under any circumstances. The worst outcome is the pro war with Russia Neo-Cons* in the US continue to support Zelensky and the War leading to a continuation of the horrific slaughter that is currently taking place and ultimately the destruction/collapse of Ukraine which will probably be split up into smaller countries ( Poland and Hungary might take parts of Eastern Ukraine if the country falls into Anarchy). Although kleptocrats like Von der Leyen are not smart enough to realise it, this is also in the best interest of the EU since if Ukraine collapses it will also see a massive refugee crisis which will cause political instability. Personally I think Russia would rather enter negotiations so probably would like to see Trump win - since they do not seem that keen on killing large numbers of Ukrainians.* - Although I doubt she is a warmonger like the sociopath Biden, Harris is probably not going to be the type of person who will go up against the Neo-Con Deep state in the way the Trump has (who coincidently recently survived a very close assassination attempt) What a pile of nonsense. All of those highlighted. So you wish Trump forced Ukraine to surrender ? Interesting ( not ) Poland and Hungary taking parts of Ukraine ? this is some sort of deep fiction / fantasy russia not keen on killing ? where have you been for the last 2 years then. russia a bunch of degenerates, killing whoever they feel like. Stealing, raping as they move Pathetic Yes and no. There are quite a lot of Hungarians in western Ukraine and I _think_ (stand to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable than you - no offence) certain parts have historically been part of Hungary (hungarian empire?). The UK has lots of Brits in the Falklands. If Argentina had won the war in the 80s I think it quite likely we would continue our claim on the island on the basis of the Brits being there. So the above is not fiction at all albeit (hopefully) very unlikely in my view. Having substantial population living in a foreign nation is very often a reason for war - oh the irony.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 26, 2024 19:41:07 GMT
What a pile of nonsense. All of those highlighted. So you wish Trump forced Ukraine to surrender ? Interesting ( not ) Poland and Hungary taking parts of Ukraine ? this is some sort of deep fiction / fantasy russia not keen on killing ? where have you been for the last 2 years then. russia a bunch of degenerates, killing whoever they feel like. Stealing, raping as they move Pathetic Yes and no. There are quite a lot of Hungarians in western Ukraine and I _think_ (stand to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable than you - no offence) certain parts have historically been part of Hungary (hungarian empire?). The UK has lots of Brits in the Falklands. If Argentina had won the war in the 80s I think it quite likely we would continue our claim on the island on the basis of the Brits being there. So the above is not fiction at all albeit (hopefully) very unlikely in my view. Having substantial population living in a foreign nation is very often a reason for war - oh the irony. I also hope the war stops before the Ukrainian State Collapses since it would obviously cause a lot of suffering (on top of the terrible numbers of casualties that have already been sustained). The Russians including Putin have talked about how they see Ukraine splitting up into smaller countries and I would not be at all surprised if Putin has not mentioned to Orban the possibility of Hungary taking control of the Carpathian regions. In the situation where Ukraine collapses as a functioning society (which can happen in the event of losing a catastrophic war like this) a lot of people would probably find becoming part of Poland or Hungary a very attractive option even if they do not consider themselves Hungarian or Polish ethnically.
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Post by registerme on Jul 26, 2024 20:02:23 GMT
What a pile of nonsense. All of those highlighted. So you wish Trump forced Ukraine to surrender ? Interesting ( not ) Poland and Hungary taking parts of Ukraine ? this is some sort of deep fiction / fantasy russia not keen on killing ? where have you been for the last 2 years then. russia a bunch of degenerates, killing whoever they feel like. Stealing, raping as they move Pathetic Yes and no. There are quite a lot of Hungarians in western Ukraine and I _think_ (stand to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable than you - no offence) certain parts have historically been part of Hungary (hungarian empire?). The UK has lots of Brits in the Falklands. If Argentina had won the war in the 80s I think it quite likely we would continue our claim on the island on the basis of the Brits being there. So the above is not fiction at all albeit (hopefully) very unlikely in my view. Having substantial population living in a foreign nation is very often a reason for war - oh the irony. If he'd said Western Ukraine there might be space for discussion. But he didn't, he said Eastern Ukraine. Simple geography fail.
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Post by k6 on Jul 26, 2024 20:20:11 GMT
What a pile of nonsense. All of those highlighted. So you wish Trump forced Ukraine to surrender ? Interesting ( not ) Poland and Hungary taking parts of Ukraine ? this is some sort of deep fiction / fantasy russia not keen on killing ? where have you been for the last 2 years then. russia a bunch of degenerates, killing whoever they feel like. Stealing, raping as they move Pathetic Yes and no. There are quite a lot of Hungarians in western Ukraine and I _think_ (stand to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable than you - no offence) certain parts have historically been part of Hungary (hungarian empire?). The UK has lots of Brits in the Falklands. If Argentina had won the war in the 80s I think it quite likely we would continue our claim on the island on the basis of the Brits being there. So the above is not fiction at all albeit (hopefully) very unlikely in my view. Having substantial population living in a foreign nation is very often a reason for war - oh the irony. No offence taken, I'm fully aware of not being the most knowledgeable as, I hope, anyone else; however, there is no way anyone is planning any of the Ukraine division. This theory is insane and has only one purpose. Just don't go back to me with this discussion after 200 years saying . . . didn't I tell you ;-)
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Post by michaelc on Jul 26, 2024 20:32:20 GMT
Yes and no. There are quite a lot of Hungarians in western Ukraine and I _think_ (stand to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable than you - no offence) certain parts have historically been part of Hungary (hungarian empire?). The UK has lots of Brits in the Falklands. If Argentina had won the war in the 80s I think it quite likely we would continue our claim on the island on the basis of the Brits being there. So the above is not fiction at all albeit (hopefully) very unlikely in my view. Having substantial population living in a foreign nation is very often a reason for war - oh the irony. If he'd said Western Ukraine there might be space for discussion. But he didn't, he said Eastern Ukraine. Simple geography fail. Tis wot I said: p2pindependentforum.com/post/497052/threadBut suggest it was a simple mistake rather than a "geography fail".
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 27, 2024 11:01:08 GMT
I mostly agree except for the bit about Poland grabbing western parts of Ukr. (Did you mean to say Eastern?) It was a typing error. My brain had gone a bit Wonky after watching that Vexler Video* * - whatever he has is highly infectious.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 28, 2024 19:50:35 GMT
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Post by k6 on Jul 29, 2024 18:28:59 GMT
I though about how can I comment that but . . . I have nothing except You must be either still young, so plenty of time for correction or very naive. I hope you are the 1st one cos the 2nd is very hard to overcome. NOTHING . . . what this trump thing says should be taken into any consideration. This guys is a big mistake. Even the closes to him most likely think so. But there is something to gain from it so some of them just seat tight and wait. This is very simple . . . putler is p... off cos he is loosing and for that reason he will make as much mess around as possible. He will try to drag into this mess whoever they can buy. Hitler, when he could not have Poland, for instance, he ordered to level it down to last brick. putler is doing same thing to Ukraine cos he can't have it. Brexit, was hugely influenced by russia. When they saw it what is happening they saw an opportunity to middle even more. Brexit was a gift to russia. Russia as a whole is like a bully, its only strong when other part is weak. It will always go after weak one . . . cos, that is how bully acts.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 29, 2024 19:17:29 GMT
Lets hope WW3 does not start in the middle east tonight. Chances of the end of the world starting in Ukraine is pretty low in my opinion (unless you are one of the poor bastards on the front line). Chances of it starting due to the current situation in the Middle East are a lot higher in my opinion.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 29, 2024 19:45:52 GMT
Lets hope WW3 does not start in the middle east tonight. Chances of the end of the world starting in Ukraine is pretty low in my opinion (unless you are one of the poor bastards on the front line). Chances of it starting due to the current situation in the Middle East are a lot higher in my opinion. In theory Russia and Iran would be on one side but I haven't seen much coming out of the Russian side on the middle east - perhaps they would support Iran with arms but not sure they would spill blood over it ? Meanwhile, if Ukraine/west manages to destroy say the Kirsch bridge with the help of UK special forces how would Russia respond?
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Post by agent69 on Jul 29, 2024 20:09:03 GMT
Lets hope WW3 does not start in the middle east tonight. You've been reading the Daily Mail too much
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 29, 2024 21:37:12 GMT
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