michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Sept 29, 2024 19:19:19 GMT
Yes a totally unjustified Russia invaded. Now what are we going to do about it ? There's two options. 1. Shrug and do nothing, watching as a sovereign nation just gets invaded by the neighbours on the very edge of Europe. (This will inevitably result in a rinse-and-repeat elsewhere in short order) 2. Support the sovereign nation in repelling the invasion. Those of us who Mr Angry accuses of being warmongers vote for 2. Mr Angry votes for 1. As for your suggestion of "giving up territory" to ask Russia nicely to please go away, that was tried in 2014, remember? School bullies never ever settled for just one day's dinner money, did they?So we come back to "Ukraine's never going to win". The three-day war is now two and a half years in. Russia is not winning. Ukraine is not losing. Have all the Ukrainian losses so far been in vain? Because if Ukraine shrugs and gives up now, they have. The question now is who blinks first. One thing's for sure, Russia's military reputation is the REALLY big loser so far... If Putin was anything other than a megalomaniacal dictator, Russia would have cut their losses by now. It certainly and obviously wasn't tried hard enough. In summary, we don't do 1 or 2 but 3 which I outlined above. Now can you answer an entirely theoretical question? I know this would be very unlikely to happen but you never know - Trump might get in and despite wanting that I admit he is unpredictable. So here's the question. If the US invaded Mexico for no good reason (maybe they cited too much immigration and too many drugs heading north), should the rest of the world supply arms to Mexico to help it repel the US ? Or should they realise there is nothing they can do because otherwise they risk [nuclear] war with a superpower? Or, if Mexico managed to somehow establish a defesive position, agree to the US taking a buffer zone north of that established line in return for Mexico being given shed loads of military aid plus treaty backup?
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Post by adrianc on Sept 29, 2024 19:39:30 GMT
As for your suggestion of "giving up territory" to ask Russia nicely to please go away, that was tried in 2014, remember? School bullies never ever settled for just one day's dinner money, did they? It certainly and obviously wasn't tried hard enough. How was he not allowed to keep Crimea/Donetsk/Luhansk "enough"? Is that one of those "Yes, Minister" irregular verbs? I'm eccentric. You're unpredictable. He's clinically certifiable. You'd like to hope that even a Trump US would not be quite so barking as to completely ignore the entire international community. In the event of such a rogue US, though...? Well, let's hope it never comes to that. It would, of course, be a question for the UN. Since the US is, as Russia, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, no resolutions could possibly pass - they would all be veto'd. Quite why countries are allowed to vote - let alone veto - resolutions concerning themselves, I have no idea. So how much of Mexico do you plan on allowing a rogue US to keep, in order to placate this "hypothetical" megalomaniacal dictator Trump? Perhaps a less-hypothetical example would be Israel invading and annexing Lebanon in their chase for the Putin-backed Hezbollah?
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Post by michaelc on Sept 29, 2024 20:04:57 GMT
It certainly and obviously wasn't tried hard enough. How was he not allowed to keep Crimea/Donetsk/Luhansk "enough"? Is that one of those "Yes, Minister" irregular verbs? I'm eccentric. You're unpredictable. He's clinically certifiable. You'd like to hope that even a Trump US would not be quite so barking as to completely ignore the entire international community. In the event of such a rogue US, though...? Well, let's hope it never comes to that. It would, of course, be a question for the UN. Since the US is, as Russia, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, no resolutions could possibly pass - they would all be veto'd. Quite why countries are allowed to vote - let alone veto - resolutions concerning themselves, I have no idea. So how much of Mexico do you plan on allowing a rogue US to keep, in order to placate this "hypothetical" megalomaniacal dictator Trump? Perhaps a less-hypothetical example would be Israel invading and annexing Lebanon in their chase for the Putin-backed Hezbollah? Lebanon is not a good example as it was harbouring militia that were lobbing missiles into Israel. Ukraine was doing no such thing before Russia invaded. Either way, you have not answered the question I posed nor the one you wrongly stated was equivalent. Well done in finding Mexico on the map by the way !
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