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Post by k6 on Aug 9, 2024 19:41:35 GMT
Special forces you saying ? . . . U R a Joke. . .sorry As usual, I am not quite sure what your point is and assume it is some garbled nonsense you read in the Sun. If you are saying Russia does not have any elite fighting units or that the Russian army is second rate you would be very wrong on both counts*. * - although I suspect being wrong is the only thing you Excel at. Not reading Sun, daily or any other  . And russia army would like to be 2nd rate but that's still long way to go.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 9, 2024 20:09:21 GMT
Special forces you saying ? . . . U R a Joke. . .sorry As usual, I am not quite sure what your point is and assume it is some garbled nonsense you read in the Sun. If you are saying Russia does not have any elite fighting units or that the Russian army is second rate you would be very wrong on both counts*. * - although I suspect being wrong is the only thing you Excel at. Russia certainly had some elite forces, the question is whether they still do as at least some of these troops, airborne & Spetnaz are known to have been involved in the Ukraine war and to have taken heavy casualties www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/14/leaked-documents-russian-spetsnaz/Any idea that the Russia army isnt increasingly second rate is laughable, though the same could probably said of many Western forces, which have been heavily degraded over the last decade. Ukraine war is entirely a numbers game now & the Kursk incursion has finally allowed the Ukr to obtain local tactical superiority in the short term.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 9, 2024 20:28:52 GMT
As usual, I am not quite sure what your point is and assume it is some garbled nonsense you read in the Sun. If you are saying Russia does not have any elite fighting units or that the Russian army is second rate you would be very wrong on both counts*. * - although I suspect being wrong is the only thing you Excel at. Any idea that the Russia army isnt increasingly second rate is laughable, though the same could probably said of many Western forces, which have been heavily degraded over the last decade. Ukraine war is entirely a numbers game now & the Kursk incursion has finally allowed the Ukr to obtain local tactical superiority in the short term. IIRC a reasonably significant part of their elite airborne forces took a specific hammering in the first 24-48 hours of the 3 day 861 day war. They spearheaded the initial attempts at regime decapitation and taking of Kyiv, not least with the expected easy capture of Hostomel/Antonov airport. Where of course they took a beating. There can surely be no doubt that by now big chunks of the Russian elite forces will have been heavily involved and will have taken significant casualties over the duration. And you don't rebuild elite forces quickly. QED they will be much downgraded compared to their pre-war standing.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 10, 2024 10:28:17 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 10, 2024 12:22:54 GMT
Didnt realise Putin had a new spokesman ... Lavrov get too close to a window?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 10, 2024 19:20:17 GMT
Didnt realise Putin had a new spokesman ... Lavrov get too close too a window? I dont know what he is doing these days or if he is still alive. But alot of the posts on this thread in the last year have reminded me of Baghdad Bob for some reason.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 10, 2024 20:15:39 GMT
As usual, I am not quite sure what your point is and assume it is some garbled nonsense you read in the Sun. If you are saying Russia does not have any elite fighting units or that the Russian army is second rate you would be very wrong on both counts*. * - although I suspect being wrong is the only thing you Excel at. And your assessment is based on... what, precisely? Don't tell me you are agreeing with the new VI that Russia has no special forces?* I mean, our prolls not getting it is one thing but if the middle classes don't understand the picture we really are doomed. *I think you do by the way....
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Post by k6 on Aug 10, 2024 21:14:52 GMT
And your assessment is based on... what, precisely? Don't tell me you are agreeing with the new VI that Russia has no special forces?* I mean, our prolls not getting it is one thing but if the middle classes don't understand the picture we really are doomed. *I think you do by the way.... It does not matter if russia has or has not some chaps called "Special Forces". You R swallowing something russia was and is building and that is their "Strong" fake image about its self cos they know this is very good weapon. This could be better weapon and cheaper then actual good and professional army. That was for centuries and it is now as well.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 10, 2024 22:23:48 GMT
Didnt realise Putin had a new spokesman ... Lavrov get too close too a window? I dont know what he is doing these days or if he is still alive. But alot of the posts on this thread in the last year have reminded me of Baghdad Bob for some reason. Self reflection is a good thing ... I would agree ... some of your posts have been hysterical so don't be too hard on yourself
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Post by michaelc on Aug 10, 2024 23:30:36 GMT
I dont know what he is doing these days or if he is still alive. But alot of the posts on this thread in the last year have reminded me of Baghdad Bob for some reason. Self reflection is a good thing ... I would agree ... some of your posts have been hysterical so don't be too hard on yourself Not like you to bring emotion into it Ilmoro. I had you down as a chatgpt/proboards interface but perhaps I'm wrong.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 0:10:23 GMT
Handbags down! I would point out that Russia has set the bar in stealing parts of other countries and creating festering sores like Transnistria, Abkahazia, and Donetsk so I suggest the Ukrainians are good at irony. While this incursion looks dynamic, I bet the Russian second reserve lines are being re-engineered into a new defensible border at this moment prior to an orderly withdrawal.
It us all very well to be driving around the vastness of Russia hunting the remains of Russias once mighty army but there are no worthwhile objectives out there that are realistic to hold onto long term*. What you don't want to end up defending is a vast bag shaped new front line stretching your forces thinly. This is the lesson of the German victories of March April 1918.
*including power station.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 11, 2024 7:42:55 GMT
Unless they think they can a) hold for a good time and b) that negotiations are imminent and you want to increase the number of chips on your side of the table.
It is very risky and I hope it has not been driven by a desire for "good propaganda news", but by solid military and political strategy. It would be yet another tragedy if they get cut off /hammered etc.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 9:39:07 GMT
Here's a vid with more insight than most. Location dictating strategy or strategy finding a location? Russia choices, using conscripts or using volunteers? Conscripts are a different category altogether. Caution: Annoying American diction www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYQDZVDAMsY&t=1026s |
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Post by michaelc on Aug 11, 2024 12:49:49 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 11, 2024 14:53:58 GMT
One of the interesting things about that e article is that there are several entire paragraphs that are near as dammit if not entirely word for word 'lift and shift' of an article in The Economist published a couple of days previously.
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. And russia army would like to be 2nd rate but that's still long way to go. 
