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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 11, 2024 15:48:32 GMT
Given the situation Ukraine finds itself in the only thing that made any sense from a military perspective is to try to capture the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and then threaten to blow it up if the Russians try to retake it - causing a political crisis in Russia. The predominant wind direction is west with a number of large cities down wind. Whatever the plan was it looks like it has failed - RIP
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Post by michaelc on Aug 11, 2024 16:05:39 GMT
Given the situation Ukraine finds itself in the only thing that made any sense from a military perspective is to try to capture the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and then threaten to blow it up if the Russians try to retake it - causing a political crisis in Russia. The predominant wind direction is west with a number of large cities down wind. Whatever the plan was it looks like it has failed - RIP If the predominant wind direction is west then surely that wasn't the idea ? Who to rest in peace ? As an aside, I do agree that this war has been cataclysmic for Ukraine but perhaps where we differ, I do think Putin wished he hadn't invaded. That's all water under the bridge and for now I wish like most Ukranians that the war is ended soon and with a stable outcome (military or otherwise). I can't deny I am enjoying reading that Ukraine is punching hard into Russia but I am afraid of the long term consequences.
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Post by registerme on Aug 11, 2024 16:26:00 GMT
I don't know, but before he edited his post he wrote something along the lines of "Ukrainian forces in Kursk (this might be interpretation on my part) are being slaughtered". No supporting evidence for that claim though.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 11, 2024 16:34:15 GMT
Given the situation Ukraine finds itself in the only thing that made any sense from a military perspective is to try to capture the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and then threaten to blow it up if the Russians try to retake it - causing a political crisis in Russia. The predominant wind direction is west with a number of large cities down wind. Whatever the plan was it looks like it has failed - RIP If the predominant wind direction is west then surely that wasn't the idea ? Who to rest in peace ? As an aside, I do agree that this war has been cataclysmic for Ukraine but perhaps where we differ, I do think Putin wished he hadn't invaded. That's all water under the bridge and for now I wish like most Ukranians that the war is ended soon and with a stable outcome (military or otherwise). I can't deny I am enjoying reading that Ukraine is punching hard into Russia but I am afraid of the long term consequences.
The predominant wind direction is going from the west to the east or westerly, so it does not blow towards Ukraine but towards the interior of Russia. RIP is the troops who were involved in this invasion, it was obviously a suicide mission.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 11, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
I don't know, but before he edited his post he wrote something along the lines of "Ukrainian forces in Kursk (this might be interpretation on my part) are being slaughtered". No supporting evidence for that claim though. I am virtually certain it is game over for them, it is just common sense given they have invaded Russia which has a much larger army and an air force. Just as I was virtually certain bombing the Houthis would do nothing.
I edited it because I thought it sounded a bit disrespectful to the fact the large number of people who have been involved in this crazy idea to invade russia are almost certainly dead men (unless they get the opportunity to surrender which is unlikely since they have invaded Russia)
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 17:29:06 GMT
I am virtually certain it is game over for them, it is just common sense given they have invaded Russia which has a much larger army and an air force. Just as I was virtually certain bombing the Houthis would do nothing.
I edited it because I thought it sounded a bit disrespectful to the fact the large number of people who have been involved in this crazy idea to invade russia are almost certainly dead men (unless they get the opportunity to surrender which is unlikely since they have invaded Russia)
That’s funny @angry, earlier today I started to write a parody of what you might say about the Kursk invasion, but decided the result looked too bonkers to post.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 11, 2024 17:53:05 GMT
I am virtually certain it is game over for them, it is just common sense given they have invaded Russia which has a much larger army and an air force. Just as I was virtually certain bombing the Houthis would do nothing.
I edited it because I thought it sounded a bit disrespectful to the fact the large number of people who have been involved in this crazy idea to invade russia are almost certainly dead men (unless they get the opportunity to surrender which is unlikely since they have invaded Russia)
That’s funny @angry, earlier today I started to write a parody of what you might say about the Kursk invasion, but decided the result looked too bonkers to post. War and people dying is no laughing matter.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 17:59:04 GMT
That’s funny @angry, earlier today I started to write a parody of what you might say about the Kursk invasion, but decided the result looked too bonkers to post. War and people dying is no laughing matter. I would point out to you that at no time in the last year have you expressed any regret at the Massive Russian casualty rate, nor suggested that all the suffering would stop if they returned to their own international border. Your obsession with Ukraine surrendering is indeed quite comical and worth parodying. But its onesidedness is in itself a parody of real concern about suffering.
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Post by k6 on Aug 11, 2024 18:03:36 GMT
That’s funny @angry, earlier today I started to write a parody of what you might say about the Kursk invasion, but decided the result looked too bonkers to post. War and people dying is no laughing matter. At last finally I can agree with your opinion, although this is all happening thanks to your tsar / employer
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 11, 2024 18:08:51 GMT
War and people dying is no laughing matter. I would point out to you that at no time in the last year have you expressed any regret at the Massive Russian casualty rate, nor suggested that all the suffering would stop if they returned to their own international border. Your obsession with Ukraine surrendering is indeed quite comical and worth parodying. But its onesidedness is in itself a parody of real concern about suffering. Yes I am 100% sure Ukraine cannot win in this war and needs to enter negotiations with Russia, and I have had that opinion from pretty much the start of this conflict. Russia has suffered considerable casualties however from my main source of information Ukraine is probably close to a million injured or killed - it also faces possible destruction as a country and descent into poverty and anarchy. I do not have any side in this war, since it is nothing to do with me personally but believe this war was totally avoidable - which makes it tragic. I also believe Boris Johnson will go down in history for his involvement in getting Ukraine not to enter into negotiations with Russia after the initial invasion - which would have saved 100,000s of lives.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 11, 2024 19:11:38 GMT
Foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova accused Kyiv of "intimidating the peaceful population of Russia".
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 11, 2024 19:25:20 GMT
Foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova accused Kyiv of "intimidating the peaceful population of Russia". also a few days ago: [Putin's] Foreign Ministry spokesperson called the attack “barbaric” and “terrorist”. Also: Moscow has described Ukrainian troops pushing into Russia as “a terrorist attack” and “a provocation.” Clearly Moscow doesn't do irony. Cognitive dissonance on the other hand they do in spades.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 19:41:05 GMT
Thing to watch, if the Ukrainian objective turns out to be the town of Rylsk (north west of current incursion), then the objective is to annex a large area to the west, anchored on the Belarussian border. Because capturing Rylsk would cut Russian supply lines to all points west. Ambitious, if it turns out that Ukraine has the manpower to do this then allowing the proliferation of 'lack of troops and supplies' stories this summer has been a deception.
Point being, the current bulge they are shown as occupying on current war mapper maps is not tenable long term. They would end up besieged on all sides. But if Rylsk falls to Ukraine then so does the land to the west without a fight.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 11, 2024 22:00:42 GMT
There is another angle to the incursion in that it allows Ukr to utilize it's elite western equipped armoured formations in a suitable theatre for them to be be effective compared to the attritional trench/urban warfare in the east where they have been poor & withdrawn.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2024 23:08:24 GMT
There is another angle to the incursion in that it allows Ukr to utilize it's elite western equipped armoured formations in a suitable theatre for them to be be effective compared to the attritional trench/urban warfare in the east where they have been poor & withdrawn. Its amazing that after a week we still can't see the plan. It could be a Hail Mary last gasp, it could be a masterstroke of dramatic proportions. You have to assume that if they planned a secret build up for months, that the governing minds also have a strict plan and objectives. But all reports seem to suggest the Ukrainians now press to the East, which is not what I suggested earlier would happen (if I was in charge). We live in interesting times for armchair warriors with no skin in the game. Advancing into the vastness of Russia is a doubtful proposition.
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