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Post by k6 on Aug 31, 2024 8:52:33 GMT
Could you report on russian loses ? or you only interested on Ukraine loses posts ? If you want good news only I suggest www.goodnewsnetwork.org/That was not what I meant and you know it. The only good news is russian machines falling from the sky
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 31, 2024 10:45:17 GMT
That was not what I meant and you know it. The only good news is russian machines falling from the sky Lots of Russian oil on fire - though thats not great news on another front Otherwise, there isnt much at the moment Heavy attacks on Uk cities & infrastructure Eastern front is collapsing, with Russians making rapid (for them) progress on several axis and Ukr withdrawing in some disarray. Another attack developing in the far north that has significant logistic implications for forces east of Oskil river. Kursk attack stalled
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 31, 2024 10:51:44 GMT
Reportedly it was lost while being used to down missiles and drones. I'm not sure whether prior to receiving the F16s they were even able to use their aircraft in that role. Also supposedly the pilot was only one of 6 in Ukraine training in the F16. And was one of their top pilots. The US is also reportedly saying that they believe it was lost due to pilot error rather than a hit. Only 6? I thought there were more than that - maybe a lot more in training yet to come through? Otherwise what is the bloody point ? There is a capacity issue ... not that many places to train pilots and they have to cater for domestic & allied as well - UK has trained 16 on basic/english flight but doesnt operate F-16 so they then have to go elsewhere for type conversion - Danes can do 8 (they did the first 6), Romanians 8, those are the only EU training programs, US doesnt have a lot of space with its existing obligations to own & allied training - current expectation is just 20 pilots operational by end of the year so militarily losing 1 is more important than losing the plane (leaving aside the human element) Lost 47 Fulcrum/Flankers to date - ex-Soviet fighters
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Post by benaj on Aug 31, 2024 11:41:45 GMT
47??? They were pretty good toys.
I suppose Ua can’t just buy more flankers from the ArmsRUs superstore.
Wiki says the US has 4, they could have been donated to a middle man before donating to Ua.
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 4, 2024 19:08:25 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Sept 7, 2024 15:50:27 GMT
Is it a good look ?
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Post by k6 on Sept 7, 2024 17:30:48 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 7, 2024 17:43:13 GMT
Presumably you are looking at this through the optics of the whole Putin "Ukrainian Nazis/denazification" and Geert Wilders being considered "far right". On the hand, GW is an unapologetic pro-Putin populist, so that would completely skittles any Moscow attempt to spin it as a validation of that. Geert is the leader of the largest party in NL, as above is very much pro-Putin, and has been vocal in his opposition to support to Ukraine. So I would put it into the bucket of necessary pragmatic attempted diplomacy on the part of Zelensky. So yes the look is good, you just have to look a bit beyond the surface.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 7, 2024 18:58:48 GMT
Presumably you are looking at this through the optics of the whole Putin "Ukrainian Nazis/denazification" and Geert Wilders being considered "far right". On the hand, GW is an unapologetic pro-Putin populist, so that would completely skittles any Moscow attempt to spin it as a validation of that. Geert is the leader of the largest party in NL, as above is very much pro-Putin, and has been vocal in his opposition to support to Ukraine. So I would put it into the bucket of necessary pragmatic attempted diplomacy on the part of Zelensky. So yes the look is good, you just have to look a bit beyond the surface. haha - makes me laugh how you disagree with almost everything I say. But yes your first sentence is the one I'm wondering about. Would it be ok in your eyes if he met Tommy Robinson as a colleague of Gert and representative of more than a million people in the UK ? What about Farage ?
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Post by registerme on Sept 7, 2024 19:34:08 GMT
Maybe he's reminding Wilders about MH117?
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 7, 2024 20:36:41 GMT
Presumably you are looking at this through the optics of the whole Putin "Ukrainian Nazis/denazification" and Geert Wilders being considered "far right". On the hand, GW is an unapologetic pro-Putin populist, so that would completely skittles any Moscow attempt to spin it as a validation of that. Geert is the leader of the largest party in NL, as above is very much pro-Putin, and has been vocal in his opposition to support to Ukraine. So I would put it into the bucket of necessary pragmatic attempted diplomacy on the part of Zelensky. So yes the look is good, you just have to look a bit beyond the surface. But yes your first sentence is the one I'm wondering about. Would it be ok in your eyes if he met Tommy Robinson as a colleague of Gert and representative of more than a million people in the UK ? What about Farage ? what are you on about ? I didn't disagree with anything you said. You posed a question: "Is it a good look?" I responded meaning that presumably your question is framed from looking at it from the angle of Putin/Ukr/Zelensky and 'nazis'. Which you then confirm it was..... after saying I disagree with you. Except you hadn't even expressed a view at that point. Odd. As to your last point. Tommy Robinson? He's just a thug, a convicted criminal (in a democratic country where that has meaning), a rabble rouser, does not lead a political party, and has no direct influence in parliament. [As an aside, having 1m followers on X doesn't mean he "represents a million people in the UK"]. So no. What would be the objective in doing so? To try and persuade him to not fan the flames of riots in the UK? To stop his bromance with Andrew Tate? It would be a bad look with no upsides. Farage? Farage sits in the UK parliament - well in name anyway, whether he actually ever turns up there is a different matter. For better or worse he leads a party in the UK in our national assembly. He is to a degree a Putin apologist. On the surface and almost certainly underneath, his views are contrary to what Zelensky believes is in Ukr's interest. Would it be legit for Zelensky to meet him? Yes. What would the objective be? Presumably to try and influence him re. his position on Ukr/Putin. Would it be a good use of his time? Probably not: while Wilders leads the largest party in his (democratic) countries parliament, Farage leads one of the smallest.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 7, 2024 20:56:31 GMT
haha - makes me laugh how you disagree with almost everything I say.But yes your first sentence is the one I'm wondering about. Would it be ok in your eyes if he met Tommy Robinson as a colleague of Gert and representative of more than a million people in the UK ? What about Farage ? what are you on about ? I didn't disagree with anything you said. You posed a question: "Is it a good look?" I responded meaning that presumably your question is framed from looking at it from the angle of Putin/Ukr/Zelensky and 'nazis'. Which you then confirm it was..... after saying I disagree with you. Except you hadn't even expressed a view at that point. Odd. As to your last point. Tommy Robinson? He's just a thug, a convicted criminal (in a democratic country where that has meaning), a rabble rouser, does not lead a political party, and has no direct influence in parliament. [As an aside, having 1m followers on X doesn't mean he "represents a million people in the UK"]. So no. What would be the objective in doing so? To try and persuade him to not fan the flames of riots in the UK? To stop his bromance with Andrew Tate? It would be a bad look with no upsides. Farage? Farage sits in the UK parliament - well in name anyway, whether he actually ever turns up there is a different matter. For better or worse he leads a party in the UK in our national assembly. He is to a degree a Putin apologist. On the surface and almost certainly underneath, his views are contrary to what Zelensky believes is in Ukr's interest. Would it be legit for Zelensky to meet him? Yes. What would the objective be? Presumably to try and influence him re. his position on Ukr/Putin. Would it be a good use of his time? Probably not: while Wilders leads the largest party in his (democratic) countries parliament, Farage leads one of the smallest. Well, Zelensky sitting down with the Far Right (according to the bbc www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct4zkp ) Are Tommy Robinson, Andrew Tate and Nigel Farage also from the far right? So if he can sit down with the far right from Holland why not from the UK too ? In other news brought to me reliably but highly anecdotally, which I have been meaning to share for a day or two but still haven't got round to it, watch out for an army coup in Ukraine in the coming months. Probably after November.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 7, 2024 21:27:32 GMT
what are you on about ? I didn't disagree with anything you said. You posed a question: "Is it a good look?" I responded meaning that presumably your question is framed from looking at it from the angle of Putin/Ukr/Zelensky and 'nazis'. Which you then confirm it was..... after saying I disagree with you. Except you hadn't even expressed a view at that point. Odd. As to your last point. Tommy Robinson? He's just a thug, a convicted criminal (in a democratic country where that has meaning), a rabble rouser, does not lead a political party, and has no direct influence in parliament. [As an aside, having 1m followers on X doesn't mean he "represents a million people in the UK"]. So no. What would be the objective in doing so? To try and persuade him to not fan the flames of riots in the UK? To stop his bromance with Andrew Tate? It would be a bad look with no upsides. Farage? Farage sits in the UK parliament - well in name anyway, whether he actually ever turns up there is a different matter. For better or worse he leads a party in the UK in our national assembly. He is to a degree a Putin apologist. On the surface and almost certainly underneath, his views are contrary to what Zelensky believes is in Ukr's interest. Would it be legit for Zelensky to meet him? Yes. What would the objective be? Presumably to try and influence him re. his position on Ukr/Putin. Would it be a good use of his time? Probably not: while Wilders leads the largest party in his (democratic) countries parliament, Farage leads one of the smallest. Well, Zelensky sitting down with the Far Right (according to the bbc www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct4zkp ) Are Tommy Robinson, Andrew Tate and Nigel Farage also from the far right? So if he can sit down with the far right from Holland why not from the UK too ? In other news brought to me reliably but highly anecdotally, which I have been meaning to share for a day or two but still haven't got round to it, watch out for an army coup in Ukraine in the coming months. Probably after November. Well he CAN sit down with whoever he likes, if they want to turn up. That's a matter of fact. But that wasn't the question. The question was whether it would look to others like a good or bad thing. I'm pretty sure the majority of people are perfectly capable of understanding that, when facing an existential threat, sitting down with people who's views you may seriously dislike can be a necessary and reasonable thing if they have influence that is relevant to you. And that does not itself confer any endorsement. I think they are also capable of processing the (not particularly complex) nuance that doing likewise with similar - or even more unpleasant - individuals who do not have any meaningful influence on your situation confers a very different look. Since by definition you must be doing it for a different reason.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Sept 8, 2024 8:35:32 GMT
I doubt Geert Wilders can do a lot to help Ukraine and Zelensky, we are very much reaching the end game of this conflict now. The only people in Europe who can probably help him are either Orban or Fico - they can possibly help open channels with Russia to reach some settlement*.
* - Although given recent statements from Putin and the Kremlin I doubt the Russians will be open to negotiations outside of Ukraine surrendering to Russia.
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Post by k6 on Sept 8, 2024 9:37:07 GMT
I doubt Geert Wilders can do a lot to help Ukraine and Zelensky, we are very much reaching the end game of this conflict now. The only people in Europe who can probably help him are either Orban or Fico - they can possibly help open channels with Russia to reach some settlement*. * - Although given recent statements from Putin and the Kremlin I doubt the Russians will be open to negotiations outside of Ukraine surrendering to Russia. So, how much of rubles for that comment, angrysaver ?
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