ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 20, 2022 10:34:39 GMT
They're currently threatening to take our copper phone line away, and move our landline to digital over broadband. NOT HAPPY. We have zero mobile signal, so any broadband or power wobble will leave us phoneless. Unfortunately, this is an OFCOM driven thing which will apply to the whole country by 2025. However, it has currently gone on hold... Virgin are doing the same to us but allow you to have an emergency phone if you arent able to use a mobile or have vulnerable person. Supposed to be happening in June (send you bits & instructions) but now theyve booked to do it for us at end of April and then sent us a message telling us not until August. Usual chaos. Havent seen anything suggesting they have put on hold like BT due to backlash.
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Post by benaj on Apr 20, 2022 10:48:01 GMT
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Post by westcountryfunder on Apr 20, 2022 10:48:35 GMT
So all goes well, but I'm slightly curious what the duct is for. I currently have fibre to the cabinet internet connection with TalkTalk, using the BT cabinet about 100m down the road. I live in a cul-de-sac in a housng estate so the duct can only be for domestic 'fibre to the premisis' use. So does anyone know how this works?
- Is it a stand alone network independent of the BT cabinet down the road?
- Is it a network for a single provider to use, or is it a shared resource?
- How does the fibre cable get from the duct to my house?
I also live in Devon (south coast East Devon). I bet it's "Jurassic Fibre". What a laugh. We already had Jurassic animal physicians (perhaps they mend dinosaurs), and now the dinosaurs are laying fibre, messing up reasonably surfaced pavements. There's been lots of it around here. Particularly noticeable that they seem to choose obviously affluent roads where they think they'll pick up some business. They can stay away from my road, I hope. FTTC seems quite good enough for my purposes.
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Post by agent69 on Apr 20, 2022 10:57:57 GMT
I suspect that the fact the phrase 'don't need permission to dig up roads and pavements' is in inverted commas means it isn't true.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 20, 2022 11:06:27 GMT
They may however need a permit - depends on whether the LA runs such a scheme
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Post by batchoy on Apr 20, 2022 11:58:04 GMT
If it was installed by Virgin (or a subcontractor like Kelly), then it may well be Virgin-only, as per our our first house. If installed by Openreach, as per our current house last year, I believe it should be shareable by others, and not just BT. Subcontractor may also be doing work for BT (or another company) I've certainly come across Kelly doing BT work as well. If it's Openreach then I suspect they'll own the infrastructure and then lease it to other other ISPs similar to how they operate for Phone/ADSL (You may pay the phone bill to the likes of Sky/ Zen etc. but they'll then be paying part of the cost to BT). There is no cable at the minute, just a duct in the footway. If you build a house by an existing road all the electricity board need to do is dig a hole in the footpath and put a joint on the existing cable. From the joint they can run a tail into the new house. Can you do the same with a fibre cable? Having dug up a few during my career (one in Plymouth cost £250k to repair) I thought they can't just be jointed willy-nilly.
You can splice fibres to join them together (or repair) but you can't add a new connection to an existing fibre circuit in the same way they might for power/gas/electricity. The same would also apply for telephone circuits and ADSL back to the cab/exchange (each connection needs it's own pair of wires back to the active equipment. I think cable internet (Virgin) is different where a number of houses are on a single coax cable that daisy chains between a few properties. Fibre cables usually contain a large number of fibre cores (or more recently) a set of empty tubes that can then have fibre cores blown through them. Back when the cables were manufactured with glass fibres inside they might run a a few large cables down various streets from the local street cab / exchange / point of presence (pop) to a splice box and then splice smaller cables out from there. With blown fibre they can connect a set of tubes together down the various cable runs and then blow a set of fibre cores from one end (cab/exchange/pop) to the other (street splice box). (That's mostly based on my old experience doing networking between buildings on a site and between a few nearby sites) I had a couple of fibres installed into my employer's site last year. Openreach installed a tube in the GPO duct with all the copper phone cables, presumably back to the exchange (though it’s the exchange in the adjacent town it being nearer than our actual exchange) and blew the fibres in. Virgin ran in preloaded cable (two fibres) from a cabinet down the road in their ducting and spliced it onto two cores of multicore. However they ran the cable from the cabinet at the bottom of the road instead of the cabinet at the top of the road and because the ducting was designed for cable to run from the top of the road they fractured the fibres due to a tight bend. This was discovered two days later when a different team came out to terminate the fibres, with the result that we had to wait a further 2 weeks for the first team to come back out remove the cable and install a new one from the correct cabinet and then a further week for the team to splice and terminate the ends. I should add that it wasn’t the cable team’s fault as they installed the original cable as per their work order, and their plans just showed 'T' junctions on the duct and not directions that the side connections curve off the duct.
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 20, 2022 12:08:13 GMT
So all goes well, but I'm slightly curious what the duct is for. I currently have fibre to the cabinet internet connection with TalkTalk, using the BT cabinet about 100m down the road. I live in a cul-de-sac in a housng estate so the duct can only be for domestic 'fibre to the premisis' use. So does anyone know how this works?
- Is it a stand alone network independent of the BT cabinet down the road?
- Is it a network for a single provider to use, or is it a shared resource?
- How does the fibre cable get from the duct to my house?
They're currently threatening to take our copper phone line away, and move our landline to digital over broadband. NOT HAPPY. We have zero mobile signal, so any broadband or power wobble will leave us phoneless. Unfortunately, this is an OFCOM driven thing which will apply to the whole country by 2025. However, it has currently gone on hold... Yes, they removed ours within a few weeks of switching over to full fibre. Luckily we have a passable mobile signal, so never used the absurdly expensive landline or its broadband replacement in any case, other than for incoming calls. With my £5pm mobile contract including unlimited calls, I would happily unplug the landline/broadband phone, but for the elderly relatives who dial it believing they would pay more to dial a mobile number.
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Post by mogish on Apr 20, 2022 13:01:22 GMT
2 years ago a contractor dug a trench and installed a pipe with 4 pipes inside apparently for fibre. This went past out house for about a mile away to the nearest village. We've still no fibre , only copper cable at 2mb /sec. I would be delighted if we got upgraded soon as not only do we pay as much as everyone else for a worse service, we cant get any modern tech such as smart tv services as it just isn't quick enough.
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Post by agent69 on Apr 20, 2022 13:06:46 GMT
And on Trustpilot only 16% say they are total sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 14:34:46 GMT
Virgin just "did" our whole town, well not our whole town, not any of the tricky bits. The local council put in an reporting mechanism that fed to a paper shreading machine so if you got missed out they forgot about you. They wrecked a few Yorkshire stone pavements until it was explained in simple words and they then moved onto cutting up tarmac. Then we had the whole bullying of little old ladies to buy a Virgin package. This also had to be stopped.
They are shits, but they are no worse than other corporate shits and the Virgin name is .
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Post by benaj on Apr 20, 2022 14:42:43 GMT
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Post by keitha on Apr 21, 2022 9:11:02 GMT
They're currently threatening to take our copper phone line away, and move our landline to digital over broadband. NOT HAPPY. We have zero mobile signal, so any broadband or power wobble will leave us phoneless. Unfortunately, this is an OFCOM driven thing which will apply to the whole country by 2025. However, it has currently gone on hold... Virgin are doing the same to us but allow you to have an emergency phone if you arent able to use a mobile or have vulnerable person. Supposed to be happening in June (send you bits & instructions) but now theyve booked to do it for us at end of April and then sent us a message telling us not until August. Usual chaos. Havent seen anything suggesting they have put on hold like BT due to backlash. Apparently quite a lot of elderly/vulnerable people have a pendant that if the press a button it dials a specified number for help, as with some other "great ideas" for updates no one thought of this and it doesn't work with mobiles. the whole idea of no conventional land line is ridiculous in parts of the Country the replacement as supplied needs mains electric to work So during the major power outrages such as storm Arwen when the masts also lose power people would not be able to contact family etc
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 21, 2022 11:59:10 GMT
When they switched our phone from the original copper pair to fibre, the two categories they said would postpone the initiative were anyone relying on a medical emergency pendant and any households whose burglar alarm automatically dials the police. Those two couldn't be catered for by the new arrangement.
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Post by stan88 on Apr 21, 2022 14:26:36 GMT
I believe some of these firms doing this work have been offering a free a car wash due to the dust and mess. Anyone been able to get a free car wash? I no it's a bit sad but still a free car wash
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Post by moonraker on Apr 22, 2022 17:10:17 GMT
So far I've had THREE cards through the post inviting me to sign up to the new 5G service. I wonder how many more there'll be and whether the tally will exceed that (20 or so) from my energy company wanting to fit a smart meter.
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