bugs4me
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Post by bugs4me on Dec 28, 2022 13:42:47 GMT
Apologies to anyone who caught by brief post (now deleted as it was nonsense). I was at cross purposes between AC and Proplend. There's a great deal of complaining on Seedrs by those that are both platform and equity investors. There are also some comments by those supporting AC's decision. In general, the posts don't appear to me to be any better informed than those on here. On balance the posts are fairly negative. I agree, most of the posts are negative but mostly seem to relate to the way it was handled by AC particularly as to how it is likely to disadvantage ISA holders (of which I am one).
As an investor (for > 5years) my concern is more about reputational damage.
Also, and as both a lender and investor on /in Assetz exchange, can better informed subscribers help with the relationship between AC, Stuart law and AE? Go here -
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Post by eeyore on Dec 28, 2022 15:18:55 GMT
...... Also, and as both a lender and investor on /in Assetz exchange, can better informed subscribers help with the relationship between AC, Stuart law and AE? Go here -
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Following AssetzExchange's email earlier this month about how AE is a "stand-alone" company, I too checked the Companies House records. I'm sure I wasn't alone in emailing AE to point out that two of the directors with substantial shareholdings in AE were also directors with substantial shareholdings in AC. It's the board of directors that make the major decisions (such as closing the platform to retail lenders) so if such an issue arose at AE, it's the same two directors taking the decision.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 28, 2022 17:45:25 GMT
Following AssetzExchange's email earlier this month about how AE is a "stand-alone" company, I too checked the Companies House records. I'm sure I wasn't alone in emailing AE to point out that two of the directors with substantial shareholdings in AE were also directors with substantial shareholdings in AC. It's the board of directors that make the major decisions (such as closing the platform to retail lenders) so if such an issue arose at AE, it's the same two directors taking the decision. Who's the other director? I can only see Stuart with major AC holdings. Bancroft runs the former Assetz Property which was taken over by management but doesnt seem to have any other AC involvement (I havent checked every co), other two are the Reads. Stuart is the largest shareholder but not the majority and the Reads have equal weight (AC holdings are non voting) The Reads founded the company and developed the concept (analysts & techies ), Stuart came in to help get to get it to market, but the Reads run it AIUI. Linked but distinct I would define it as.
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Post by giammy on Jan 1, 2023 16:07:53 GMT
no monthly interest paid yet
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Post by dave2 on Jan 2, 2023 8:34:13 GMT
no monthly interest paid yet That's not the only issue. The update of 15th December states that: >> Link to Dec 15th update 1. My 30 Day Access account balance was moved to the Quick Access account on 29th December, that's after only 14 days notice rather than 30 Days. 2. The Quick Access account shows as being capped at 3.90% rather than 4% pa.
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Post by dh1 on Jan 2, 2023 8:53:10 GMT
Sadly, the unannounced interest freeze made all the more prominent by SoMo's outstanding performance yesterday and dave2 's comments may indicate how AC sees us "retail investors" - bottom of the pecking order. AC may want to comment on that.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 2, 2023 10:53:49 GMT
no monthly interest paid yet That's not the only issue. The update of 15th December states that: >> Link to Dec 15th update 1. My 30 Day Access account balance was moved to the Quick Access account on 29th December, that's after only 14 days notice rather than 30 Days. 2. The Quick Access account shows as being capped at 3.90% rather than 4% pa. Mines still in the 30DAA. Did you have an pre-existing withdrawal request active that has been actioned as scheduled? I cancelled mine to get the extra few weeks 0.1% interest.
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Post by easynow on Jan 2, 2023 16:19:30 GMT
I had a small amount in the 90 day account due to go to CASH on the 31st December, that is now sat in QAA. Given that I had already requested this withdrawal well before the goal posts were moved, I would not have expected them to move it into the QAA and lock it in, as provision should already have been made for any existing withdrawal requests.
I can see a long list of complaints building up.
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 2, 2023 17:22:51 GMT
It appears that all historical cash withdrawal requests are being processed as "withdrawals" to the QAA on the date that they were due to become cash.
That's what's happened to mine anyway. My access account money was all in 30 days. I gave notice of withdrawal after they "gated" withdrawals, but the money was still there when they closed to new business. The balance on the day I requested withdrawal is now in the QAA.
A much smaller sum remains in the 30 day account. I think this is interest credited to the 30 day account after I asked for the withdrawal. I'm not entirely sure when it will move to the QAA, but I'm expecting it to be 30 days after it was credited.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 2, 2023 17:46:13 GMT
It appears that all historical cash withdrawal requests are being processed as "withdrawals" to the QAA on the date that they were due to become cash. That's what's happened to mine anyway. My access account money was all in 30 days. I gave notice of withdrawal after they "gated" withdrawals, but the money was still there when they closed to new business. The balance on the day I requested withdrawal is now in the QAA. A much smaller sum remains in the 30 day account. I think this is interest credited to the 30 day account after I asked for the withdrawal. I'm not entirely sure when it will move to the QAA, but I'm expecting it to be 30 days after it was credited. All sums remaining in the 30DAA will be moved on 1 Feb ... odd in itself given thats 6 weeks after AC gave notice The interesting question is whether AC actually has the right to move funds to the QAA, given that the terms of the account state that should the account be closed then it will be wound down and funds transferred to the cash account or an account of the lenders choosing. I havent actually found anything that states AC can give notice on the notice accounts. Largely a moot point as they can drop the rates to 4% anyway Unsurprisingly, given the general level of competence previously exhibited by staff, AC are already making a horlicks of the wind down.
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 3, 2023 9:12:46 GMT
It appears that all historical cash withdrawal requests are being processed as "withdrawals" to the QAA on the date that they were due to become cash. That's what's happened to mine anyway. My access account money was all in 30 days. I gave notice of withdrawal after they "gated" withdrawals, but the money was still there when they closed to new business. The balance on the day I requested withdrawal is now in the QAA. A much smaller sum remains in the 30 day account. I think this is interest credited to the 30 day account after I asked for the withdrawal. I'm not entirely sure when it will move to the QAA, but I'm expecting it to be 30 days after it was credited. All sums remaining in the 30DAA will be moved on 1 Feb ... odd in itself given thats 6 weeks after AC gave notice The interesting question is whether AC actually has the right to move funds to the QAA, given that the terms of the account state that should the account be closed then it will be wound down and funds transferred to the cash account or an account of the lenders choosing. I havent actually found anything that states AC can give notice on the notice accounts. Largely a moot point as they can drop the rates to 4% anyway Unsurprisingly, given the general level of competence previously exhibited by staff, AC are already making a horlicks of the wind down. AC certainly have the right to wind down all the access accounts pari passu, and (among other things) to equalise the interest rates to achieve this. Although they could continue to maintain 3 separate accounts it is administratively easier (and makes no difference to lenders) to combine them all in one pot. They may continue to call it the QAA but it isn't really. It's just the wind-down account. As to the right to give notice on the notice accounts, I doubt that any notice at all is necessary once wind-down is announced. I think AC could have moved all the AAs into one pot immediately, The deemed notice given on the 30DAA and 90DAA is arguably generous to them. QAA lenders might consider it to be unfair, since they are now equally locked in.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 3, 2023 12:27:26 GMT
Interest being paid manually this month. Guess someone didnt get round to doing the necessary technical bits.
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Post by scotty on Jan 3, 2023 12:42:19 GMT
Interest being paid manually this month. Guess someone didnt get round to doing the necessary technical bits. Interest being paid manually? At least we now know where some of our 2.9% lender fee is being spent.
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dh1
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Post by dh1 on Jan 3, 2023 14:36:34 GMT
Wonder who the interest is being paid to? Mine hasn't turned up yet. Deafening silence from AC as well; probably trying to work out how to say "sorry for the delay; interest will be in the accounts by 18:00 today" in more than 200 words....
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Post by rscal on Jan 3, 2023 15:10:30 GMT
Wonder who the interest is being paid to? Mine hasn't turned up yet. Deafening silence from AC as well; probably trying to work out how to say "sorry for the delay; interest will be in the accounts by 18:00 today" in more than 200 words.... I have received some MLA interest - starting today at 14.52 [no fee deduction]
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