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Post by aeron on Dec 15, 2022 13:58:27 GMT
Watch this space, you will now find out that the value you think you had invested is reduced when the debt repayment is defaulted. The next stage, if Assetz follow Funding Circle, is to sell off the defaulted bad debt for a fraction of what you thought you would get back. The sell off will then wipe clean your account and you get back a percentage of your investment. Yes you can offset the bad debt against profits from other P2P company investment but these are getting fewer and fewer.
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Post by p2pfan on Dec 15, 2022 16:00:40 GMT
That's painful to read and I sincerely hope you are not accurate in terms of how things may pan out, but, for years, now AC have proven they have very little consideration for their retail lenders so I fear you may be correct.
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Post by alender on Dec 15, 2022 17:57:05 GMT
Watch this space, you will now find out that the value you think you had invested is reduced when the debt repayment is defaulted. The next stage, if Assetz follow Funding Circle, is to sell off the defaulted bad debt for a fraction of what you thought you would get back. The sell off will then wipe clean your account and you get back a percentage of your investment. Yes you can offset the bad debt against profits from other P2P company investment but these are getting fewer and fewer. Add in Wellesley, I started investing there but got out long before the collapse as it just did not look right or perhaps just good luck.
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Post by garreh on Dec 15, 2022 22:41:16 GMT
This is sad news. However on the positive side, this seems more of a orderly wind-down of the order books on the retail side.
AC claim they are already 80% funded by institutional investors, and are solvent.
The scenario that plays out looks closer to what happened to Ratesetter when it closed their retail side. Even when Growth Street fully closed their P2P platform investors got back 100%. So personally I'm hopeful there won't be any losses, though it may take some time for things to wind down.
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Post by alender on Dec 15, 2022 23:31:38 GMT
This is sad news. However on the positive side, this seems more of a orderly wind-down of the order books on the retail side. AC claim they are already 80% funded by institutional investors, and are solvent. The scenario that plays out looks closer to what happened to Ratesetter when it closed their retail side. Even when Growth Street fully closed their P2P platform investors got back 100%. So personally I'm hopeful there won't be any losses, though it may take some time for things to wind down. Would not believe much AC say, they may have 80% funded by institutional investors but how many are adding and how many are withdrawing, IMO AC cannot compete in the current market place on a risk/reward basis against many other investments. There is the question why not just continue, if all is OK with the loan book the AAs will be more or less be frozen for a time with some secondary market trades, MLAs will be slow, but not much in the way of admin costs. Although interest rates are rising inflation is coming down in UK, US and world wide so it will only be a matter of time before the AAs will start to defrost unless the loan book is suspect which could be the reason AC are now pulling the plug, hope not as I would like to see lenders get all or at least most of their money back. Being involved in the GS winddown I can say there is a world of difference between the 2, GS stuck to the T&Cs and returned the funds as quick as possible, during the first AC lockdown AC kept changing the T&Cs built a cash mountain and held onto the cash as long as possible, also AC have a habit of extracting as much in fees as they can especially in the closed/dead accounts, not one of their previous accounts have ended well for lenders. As has been stated the AC loans will be up to 59 months before the last is repaid, however this could go on longer if they sit on defaults extracting fees which seems to be in their DNA. Don't know too much about RS as I got out after it was obvious they were rigging the rates but the fact they were taken over means that there was faith in their loans, not sure the same can be said for AC.
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Post by garreh on Dec 16, 2022 0:02:37 GMT
This is sad news. However on the positive side, this seems more of a orderly wind-down of the order books on the retail side. AC claim they are already 80% funded by institutional investors, and are solvent. The scenario that plays out looks closer to what happened to Ratesetter when it closed their retail side. Even when Growth Street fully closed their P2P platform investors got back 100%. So personally I'm hopeful there won't be any losses, though it may take some time for things to wind down. Would not believe much AC say, they may have 80% funded by institutional investors but how many are adding and how many are withdrawing, IMO AC cannot compete in the current market place on a risk/reward basis against many other investments. There is the question why not just continue, if all is OK with the loan book business the AAs will be more or less be frozen for a time with some secondary market trades, MLAs will be slow, but not much in the way of admin costs. Although interest rates are rising inflation is coming down in UK, US and world wide so it will only be a matter of time before the AAs will start to defrost unless the loan book is suspect which could be the reason AC are now pulling the plug, hope not as I would like to see lenders get all or at least most of their money back. Being involved in the GS winddown I can say there is a world of difference between the 2, GS stuck to the T&Cs and returned the funds as quick as possible, during the first AC lockdown AC kept changing the T&Cs built a cash mountain and held onto the cash as long as possible, also AC have a habit of extracting as much in fees as they can especially in the closed/dead accounts, not one of their previous accounts have ended well for lenders. As has been stated the AC loans will be up to 59 months before the last is repaid, however this could go on longer if they sit on defaults extracting fees which seems to be in their DNA. Don't know too much about RS as I got out after it was obvious they were rigging the rates but the fact they were taken over means that there was faith in their loans, not sure the same can be said for AC. Well that's what they have explicitly stated in their email - 80% since 2020 and I don't see any reason to believe they are lieing. Although as you say funding could be decreasing for institutional investors on the weekly which may make that figure inaccurate over time. The GS winddown was done fairly well I have to say. I hope if AC is really squeezed with similar liquidity issues they will help migrate existing loans to other lenders which will reduce the size of the order book - that's essentially what GS did and helped contribute to a quick and efficient winddown. I'm curious to know what happened to that cash buildup from the fees? I would like to think it was built up as some kind of provisional insurance against defaults? Anyway, I'm still hopeful they will winddown in an orderly fashion, though understandably it will take some time.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Dec 16, 2022 10:09:55 GMT
The end of an era, still have about 500 quid in loans that look like they can be recovered at some point so I am glad it looks like an orderly wind down. Just looked at the accounts retained earnings for the group is about -4 million, so I guess some of the investors in the business have lost a fair bit of money on the venture. In my opinion they should have focused on the "Assetz" part of their name when deciding who to lend to.
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Post by oliveau on Dec 16, 2022 17:29:03 GMT
Hmmm! Thincats closed to retail investors, and we know what happened thereafter. I'm jumpy!
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Post by angrysaveruk on Dec 16, 2022 17:32:06 GMT
Hmmm! Thincats closed to retail investors, and we know what happened thereafter. I'm jumpy!
That is what I thought initially but they have quite alot of cash. Salary bill was 5+ million on last accounts so they can make alot of savings.
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Post by investibod on Dec 16, 2022 17:38:58 GMT
Time to move the Assetz board into "P2x sites Closed to New Retail Investors" section?
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Post by rscal on Dec 24, 2022 14:16:51 GMT
The view from Proplend: Hear, hear. AC are just digging their own reputational grave as a would be institutional lending channel. It looks chepe and tawdry and it is. ---------------- UPDATE from me [12 May 2023] ---------------------- ARCHIVED version of the ORIGINAL [3744 word] announcement [15 Dec 22] archive.is/41VSU ARCHIVE of CURRENT [4827 word] version [at 12 May 23] archive.is/BQSHd (now hosted on different route directory and with the previous page 404'd) Please note the 'Ed-ditions' This grabbed my attention: Do not adjust your seats, in copy pasting wholesale the verbiage received in identical 'final response' letters, Assetz' 'brain' has inadvertently duplicated two old paragraphs (now securely archived.) Would someone like to point out the nonsense to them or leave them to stumble over next edit? Also, it now requires updating to reflect the 'interim' announcement to follow their rolling the 2.9% fee another six months: People must also have been asking around, because they have included quite a lengthy rationale in the update to say they didn't just 'make up' some numbers...
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Post by Mikeme on Dec 28, 2022 7:47:10 GMT
I wonder what those that have just invested in the Seeders round think about all of this?
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Post by Ace on Dec 28, 2022 8:02:13 GMT
I wonder what those that have just invested in the Seeders round think about all of this? Apologies to anyone who caught by brief post (now deleted as it was nonsense). I was at cross purposes between AC and Proplend. There's a great deal of complaining on Seedrs by those that are both platform and equity investors. There are also some comments by those supporting AC's decision. In general, the posts don't appear to me to be any better informed than those on here. On balance the posts are fairly negative.
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Post by dead-money on Dec 28, 2022 9:04:34 GMT
I wonder what those that have just invested in the Seeders round think about all of this? Apologies to anyone who caught by brief post (now deleted as it was nonsense). I was at cross purposes between AC and Proplend. There's a great deal of complaining on Seedrs by those that are both platform and equity investors. There are also some comments by those supporting AC's decision. In general, the posts don't appear to me to be any better informed than those on here. On balance the posts are fairly negative. Also worth noting that SL as well as no longer engaging with retail lenders on this forum, also now refuses to discuss lenders concerns and frustations on the Seedrs forum.
Calmer heads are hoping that something similar to Ratesetter occurs and the loanbook is settled in it's entirety due to acquistion.
Five years of trickle back and writeoffs does seem like it's just prolonging the inevitable.
NB The fact that AC took this course of action so soon after completing the conversion and fund raising round, might be a valid case for compliant by minority shareholders.
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Post by ton27 on Dec 28, 2022 11:30:21 GMT
I wonder what those that have just invested in the Seeders round think about all of this? Apologies to anyone who caught by brief post (now deleted as it was nonsense). I was at cross purposes between AC and Proplend. There's a great deal of complaining on Seedrs by those that are both platform and equity investors. There are also some comments by those supporting AC's decision. In general, the posts don't appear to me to be any better informed than those on here. On balance the posts are fairly negative. I agree, most of the posts are negative but mostly seem to relate to the way it was handled by AC particularly as to how it is likely to disadvantage ISA holders (of which I am one).
As an investor (for > 5years) my concern is more about reputational damage.
Also, and as both a lender and investor on /in Assetz exchange, can better informed subscribers help with the relationship between AC, Stuart law and AE?
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