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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2024 14:11:30 GMT
It's utterly terrible and depressing that one of the main groups involved in running this country has dragged themselves and the country down to this level, yes. I can't get terribly excited about any particular party for its own sake.If sane people on whichever side of our politics felt a particular party had lost its way irretrievably, they could launch an alternative party - but, of course, our current voting system is firmly set against that. That, of course, applied just as firmly on the opposite side of the aisle a few years ago. But almost every attempt to launch a new political party (most recently ChangeUK, in the aftermath of Johnson's 2019 purge, of course) has been doomed to failure, simply because of the way our electoral system works. And, yes, that saddens me, too. Ahh - so you're an independent ? Well done to you and I wish your constiuents (or parishioners?) even more luck. Eh? I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. Perhaps you could be a tad clearer?
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Post by rscal on Jun 20, 2024 14:19:07 GMT
I have just received my postal ballot. Am happy to have an[y] independent to vote for here. The alternative was a blank/spoiled - but still logged - returned ballot.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 20, 2024 15:03:41 GMT
Ahh - so you're an independent ? Well done to you and I wish your constiuents (or parishioners?) even more luck. Eh? I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. Perhaps you could be a tad clearer? I thought you were a councillor of sorts? So you either represent a party or you are an Indy.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2024 15:08:29 GMT
Eh? I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. Perhaps you could be a tad clearer? I thought you were a councillor of sorts? So you either represent a party or you are an Indy. Parish council. They're apolitical.
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Post by benaj on Jun 20, 2024 15:26:01 GMT
Is there any party or independent candidate include Electoral reform as their main manifesto? yet no major parties want any kind of reform?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 20, 2024 15:47:41 GMT
I wish I understood a word of this  you don’t have to, i won’t stop to you to learn about the lucky, yankee, canadian and heinz bets Been a while since I've laid any of these, but I used to enjoy the accumulator 'buzz' of this style of betting, from the simple Patent all the way up to Goliath/Super Goliath bets! bracknellboy, the Lucky15 is a good starting point. It comprises 15 separate bets on (say) four races. You pick the four winners, say horse A for race 1, horse B for race 2, etc. Your 15 bets then comprise the four singles (A to win, B to win, C to win, D to win), six doubles (AB both win, AC both win, ....CD both win), four trebles (ABC, ABD, ACD, BCD) and finally the accumulator where all four of your selections all win (ABCD). 15 bets in total. The beauty is it's easy to specify - you just list your four horses (or dogs or football teams...) and write Lucky15 on the betting slip. What you're hoping for obviously is all four to win, in which case you'll get a handsome payout. But if one fails, you can still pick up a treble and a few doubles and singles and still come away smiling. Yankee is a variant of Lucky15, leaving off the 4 singles (making 11 bets). The others, Canadian, Heinz, Goliath and Super Goliath just add an extra horse (or event) into the bet. For n horses, the number of bets required to cover every single, double, treble and so on combination is 2 n-1. So when n=4, it comprises the 15 separate bets described above, hence the name Lucky15. Beyond n=4, the overall cost of the accumulative bet rises so high that the individual singles bets become a bit pointless, so they get dropped. So for n=5 horses, you get 2 5-1 =31 bets, but the 5 singles get dropped, leaving 26 bets covering all the doubles and upwards (AB, AC, AD, AE, BC, BD, BE, CD, CE, DE, ABC, ABD.... up to ABCDE). From memory, this is the Super Yankee, aka Canadian bet. The Heinz is so named because with n=6 horses now, 2 n-1 is 63. Once you drop off the 6 piddling and uninteresting single bets, you are left betting on 57 doubles and upwards. 57 varieties, innit  . The Super Heinz and Goliath/Super Goliath are for n=7 or n=8 horses, football matches, tennis matches or whatever other event takes your fancy. By this stage, your stakes have to remain so low (to keep the overall cost of the bet manageable) that you'd better hope you get a few treble/quadruple winners in your selection or you'll be going without meat for the rest of the week!
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Post by michaelc on Jun 20, 2024 15:54:01 GMT
I thought you were a councillor of sorts? So you either represent a party or you are an Indy. Parish council. They're apolitical. Really? I wonder why then in previous Tory canvassing meetings we've had them talk about "vacancies" and had a show of hands for who wants the job. Who we approved then went on to receive the guaranteed couple of thousand votes or so needed to officially become a parish councillor.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2024 16:07:52 GMT
Parish council. They're apolitical. Really? I wonder why then in previous Tory canvassing meetings we've had them talk about "vacancies" and had a show of hands for who wants the job. Who we approved then went on to receive the guaranteed couple of thousand votes or so needed to officially become a parish councillor. I don't think we're talking about the same thing. The total population of this parish is 370-odd. Heck, the total electorate in this entire county council ward is only just over 3k. We haven't had a contested election here for gawd knows how long - which is just as well, since they cost about £2k. Our total annual budget is £11k.
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Post by JamesFrance on Jun 20, 2024 16:34:56 GMT
I heard an interesting prediction today that ReformUK will merge with the Tories before the election, to save the UK from stagnation by putting business people in charge who actually know how to get growth. Clearly the civil service are a bunch of incompetent fools like professional politicians and will improve nothing for the rest of us. He also blamed the cost of living crisis beloved of the BBC entirely on Bailey and his cronies.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2024 16:42:02 GMT
I heard an interesting prediction today that ReformUK will merge with the Tories before the election, to save the UK from stagnation by putting business people in charge who actually know how to get growth. <wipes tear of laughter away> Which "business people" are those? Tice? He inherited his original property business and wealth from his grandfather. Or the various eminence grise donors? They used to be tory donors. Sounds more like a fevered fantasy from an embarrassed farridgista than a "prediction".
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Post by michaelc on Jun 20, 2024 16:46:35 GMT
The candidates are already chosen so presumably you'd need to have Farage trying to persuade people to ignore their own candidates on the ballot and vote Tory instead.
It would need A/ Farage to do it and B/ People who were going to vote reform to not do so anymore.
What is the source of the rumour I wonder?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 20, 2024 21:43:42 GMT
The candidates are already chosen so presumably you'd need to have Farage trying to persuade people to ignore their own candidates on the ballot and vote Tory instead. It would need A/ Farage to do it and B/ People who were going to vote reform to not do so anymore. What is the source of the rumour I wonder?someone's a*** I suspect
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Post by mogish on Jun 21, 2024 8:48:15 GMT
I can't honestly see much of a turn out at the polls tbh.
No party seems to have anything to excite in their manifestos.
The recent (up here anyway)greens manifesto was complete air head stuff as usual, snp... 17 years to change stuff ...hopefully they will reap their rewards for incompetence, labour.. rape oil revenue from Aberdeen.. hardly a vote winner.
Tories never get a look in anyway so what's left?
Macron not having an easy time either over in france.
Folk want positive action and are fed up of words.
Bit of a mess overall.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2024 8:49:11 GMT
I can't honestly see much of a turn out at the polls tbh. No party seems to have anything to excite in their manifestos. I can see a large turn-out. It's not necessarily a vote FOR anything, but it'll be a hefty vote AGAINST.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2024 9:08:30 GMT
x.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1803827135003455507 These figures are just for Betfair. We know that the original candidate placed his bet in a Ladbroke shop. Entrenched. I had a little bot of advance notice - a group I'm involved in were booked to be on BBC Radio at 9am on the Thursday 23rd. We were contacted at 3pm on Wednesday 22nd to cancel, because all plans were changing due to <direct quote> "An Imminent Political Announcement" (no more detail). Sunak, of course, did his drowned rat impression at 5pm on Wed 22nd. That's how far ahead the media knew there was going to be an announcement...
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