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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 3, 2024 19:12:36 GMT
There are lots of Nigerians, their country isn't doing great, they want to come, and there are jobs for them in the health and care sectors. To an extent, they are replacing health and care workers from the EU. There are also lots coming on study visas, many of whom will no doubt hope in due course to get graduate leave to remain, if that route is still available. Again, to an extent, they are replacing students from the EU. Outside of visas for banking and top universities, there's much less demand from the US. and I would guess, because they are replacing those who could freely travel to and from the EU and have the right to work, it is costing us all a good deal more to process them. a clear win for Brexit. Again. That's quite a guess on your part. They could just as easily be supplementing rather than replacing. That would be my guess, that they would have come here irrespective. Not sure how Brexit comes into it.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 3, 2024 19:12:46 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 3, 2024 19:15:28 GMT
and I would guess, because they are replacing those who could freely travel to and from the EU and have the right to work, it is costing us all a good deal more to process them. a clear win for Brexit. Again. That's quite a guess on your part. They could just as easily be supplementing rather than replacing. That would be my guess. Not sure how Brexit comes into it. You could have looked that up before commenting. migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/
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Post by michaelc on Jul 3, 2024 19:16:05 GMT
There are lots of Nigerians, their country isn't doing great, they want to come, and there are jobs for them in the health and care sectors. To an extent, they are replacing health and care workers from the EU. There are also lots coming on study visas, many of whom will no doubt hope in due course to get graduate leave to remain, if that route is still available. Again, to an extent, they are replacing students from the EU. Outside of visas for banking and top universities, there's much less demand from the US. and I would guess, because they are replacing those who could freely travel to and from the EU and have the right to work, it is costing us all a good deal more to process them. a clear win for Brexit. Again. huh ? Do you mean the cost of their visas? Many would pay the (astronomical) fees themselves. Supect UKVisas makes a fat profit out of them.
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Post by rscal on Jul 3, 2024 19:17:54 GMT
This is what I see awaiting Labour's Treasury Team in a plain brown envelope marked "Instructions" (i.e. an upgrade from '97)  |
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 3, 2024 19:20:45 GMT
I'm not suggesting EU migration to the UK hasn't shrunk, far from it. I'm contending that it hasn't had any significant effect on immigration from the likes of Nigeria, i.e. that Brexit had little effect on the levels of non-EU immigration.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 3, 2024 20:11:37 GMT
This is what I see awaiting Labour's Treasury Team in a plain brown envelope marked "Instructions" (i.e. an upgrade from '97) Still better than the note Liam Byrne, chief secretary to the Treasury under Gordon Brown, left for his successor in 2010.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 3, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
That is so cheap it's laughable. I laughed yeah, but you're cheap
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 3, 2024 21:26:06 GMT
and I would guess, because they are replacing those who could freely travel to and from the EU and have the right to work, it is costing us all a good deal more to process them. a clear win for Brexit. Again. huh ? Do you mean the cost of their visas? Many would pay the (astronomical) fees themselves. Supect UKVisas makes a fat profit out of them. no I didn't mean that. I primarily meant the overheads/economic impact involved with having a (civil servant) managed priority based government controlled right to enter/work system. As opposed to a system which basically self organised through market forces. Oh, and and it may or may not be that they pay for themselves, but also quite likely that employers end up covering the costs for them. And even if they don't directly, then they will do through subsequent payments to compensate. That in turn feeds into downstream costs/pricing. It is all overhead/drag that impacts economic efficiency. Effort going into essentially unproductive activity.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 3, 2024 22:23:35 GMT
Remember - those Nigerians have visas issued by the UK government... Some will be students. Some will be on work visas, many for the NHS. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63141929
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Post by benaj on Jul 4, 2024 4:25:05 GMT
Remember - those Nigerians have visas issued by the UK government... Some will be students. Some will be on work visas, many for the NHS. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63141929that makes sense, I couldn’t found any data supporting 1000% increase of Nigerian students. But why the NHS took so many recruits from Nigeria? Is there some scheme making people rich by recruiting Nigerian that we didn’t know about? Is there any REAL DATA supporting that many Nigerian working for the NHS? I don't think NHS hire more than 30k international recruits in one year alone and yet Filipinos are not even top 10 in the UK arrivals. www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12050183/500-NHS-nurses-Nigeria-struck-fraudulent-incorrect-exam-results.html
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 4, 2024 5:54:28 GMT
Nigeria was a British Colony and is part of the commonwealth so not surprising people come here from there. I worked with a Nigerian Engineer in the 1980's a very smart guy.
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Post by benaj on Jul 4, 2024 6:16:03 GMT
The only thing I managed to find this morning is this from the Beeb. Yet not real figures. Surely Home Office knows more.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 4, 2024 7:47:37 GMT
The only thing I managed to find this morning is this from the Beeb. Yet not real figures. Surely Home Office knows more. From the ONS.gov.uk link that you posted... "Non-EU immigration for work-related reasons increased from 277,000 in the YE December 2022 to 423,000 in the YE December 2023, replacing study as the main reason for long-term migration; almost half of those immigrating for work-related reasons came from India or Nigeria, most commonly in the health and social care sector."
"The top five non-EU nationalities for long-term immigration flows into the UK in the YE December 2023 were Indian (250,000), Nigerian (141,000), Chinese (90,000), Pakistani (83,000) and Zimbabwean (36,000) (Table 1). Since 2019, the number of Indian, Nigerian and Pakistani nationals arriving in the UK has seen the largest increase. There were approximately 62,000 more Pakistani nationals, 127,000 more Nigerian nationals and 178,000 more Indian nationals immigrating to the UK in 2023 compared with 2019."
"According to Home Office figures for the YE December 2023 on Why do people come to the UK? To work, those from India, Nigeria and Pakistan made up the majority of those granted visas to work in the UK. Indian, Nigerian, Chinese and Pakistani nationals were also identified as the largest contributors to non-EU immigration to the UK on study-related visas in the YE December 2022 in our Reason for international migration, international students update: May 2024."
"Preliminary analysis indicates that workers most likely to bring dependants came from Nigeria, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Zimbabwe and Ghana. Dependants are a mixture of adults and children; of the top ten countries, around 50% of dependants were aged 17 years or under."
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