agent69
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Post by agent69 on Jul 5, 2024 9:54:20 GMT
When you look at the share of the vote it looks a funny old result. Labour, Lib Dems and SNP all got about the same % as last election. Conservative down 20% and 'others' (mainly Reform) up 20%.
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Post by mostlywrong on Jul 5, 2024 9:58:47 GMT
Important question:
What will happen to Larry the Cat?
The ousted politicians can take care of themselves but who will care for Larry in this brave new world?
MW
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Post by keitha on Jul 5, 2024 10:02:24 GMT
Important question:
What will happen to Larry the Cat?
The ousted politicians can take care of themselves but who will care for Larry in this brave new world?
MW
I believe he is on the payroll as a civil servant rather than political so he stays
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Post by keitha on Jul 5, 2024 10:04:42 GMT
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Post by mostlywrong on Jul 5, 2024 10:10:16 GMT
When you look at the share of the vote it looks a funny old result. Labour, Lib Dems and SNP all got about the same % as last election. Conservative down 20% and 'others' (mainly Reform) up 20%. I hope that, once the back slapping stops, those elected will look at the results in detail and try to work out why that was the case, and do something about it.
A major party, that loses some 20% of its vote to a party that really did not exist 5 years ago, has to wake up and smell the coffee. Or they will lose 20% in the next election.
And Labour cannot relax. If the figures that contributors have shared are accurate, there are parties out there that might eat Labour's lunch in a future election.
Interesting times indeed.
The global markets appear to be relaxed about the outcome. Our stock market is up 20 points and is within striking distance of an all-time high. Sterling is up slightly against the USD and Euro.
Fingers crossed for a successful brave new world!
MW
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Post by mostlywrong on Jul 5, 2024 10:11:18 GMT
Important question:
What will happen to Larry the Cat?
The ousted politicians can take care of themselves but who will care for Larry in this brave new world?
MW
I believe he is on the payroll as a civil servant rather than political so he stays With improved terms and conditions, I hope?
MW
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Jul 5, 2024 10:21:36 GMT
When you look at the share of the vote it looks a funny old result. Labour, Lib Dems and SNP all got about the same % as last election. Conservative down 20% and 'others' (mainly Reform) up 20%. I hope that, once the back slapping stops, those elected will look at the results in detail and try to work out why that was the case, and do something about it.
A major party, that loses some 20% of its vote to a party that really did not exist 5 years ago, has to wake up and smell the coffee. Or they will lose 20% in the next election.
And Labour cannot relax. If the figures that contributors have shared are accurate, there are parties out there that might eat Labour's lunch in a future election.
Interesting times indeed.
The global markets appear to be relaxed about the outcome. Our stock market is up 20 points and is within striking distance of an all-time high. Sterling is up slightly against the USD and Euro.
Fingers crossed for a successful brave new world!
MW
LOL Kier Group up 5.5% Go to be coincidence but quite funny
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 5, 2024 10:30:55 GMT
Our Reform candidate, who was a man of mystery, couldn't find out anything about him, no leaflets no bio not even a published address (eventually tracked down an address outside the area), got 8,000 votes!
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Post by agent69 on Jul 5, 2024 10:33:31 GMT
I believe he is on the payroll as a civil servant rather than political so he stays With improved terms and conditions, I hope?
MW
Only if he's in a trade union
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 5, 2024 11:24:28 GMT
The absurdity of FPTP laid bare. Reform poll more votes than LibDems, yet win 4 seats while LD win 71.
Crazy.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 5, 2024 11:29:26 GMT
The absurdity of FPTP laid bare. Reform poll more votes than LibDems, yet win 4 seats while LD win 71. Crazy. Yet every single part of the country gets the single most locally popular candidate as their MP. We simply don't count votes nationally. Never have done. It's not how our system is designed to work. Some parties get a few votes everywhere, and win nothing. Some are more locally focussed, and win the seats they put the effort into. I'm not going to disagree with you if you say we can devise a better system - but we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Local representation is important.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 5, 2024 11:30:32 GMT
When you look at the share of the vote it looks a funny old result. Labour, Lib Dems and SNP all got about the same % as last election. Conservative down 20% and 'others' (mainly Reform) up 20%. I hope that, once the back slapping stops, those elected will look at the results in detail and try to work out why that was the case, and do something about it.
A major party, that loses some 20% of its vote to a party that really did not exist 5 years ago, has to wake up and smell the coffee. Or they will lose 20% in the next election.
And Labour cannot relax. If the figures that contributors have shared are accurate, there are parties out there that might eat Labour's lunch in a future election.
Interesting times indeed.
The global markets appear to be relaxed about the outcome. Our stock market is up 20 points and is within striking distance of an all-time high. Sterling is up slightly against the USD and Euro.
Fingers crossed for a successful brave new world!
MW
There is also a different way of looking at this. Labour's vote has been very "efficient", especially compared with previously. Is that purely a function of Reform's intervention ? It has contributed, but remember it was quite late in the day. And we all thought it pretty likely that Labour was going to get a fairly thumping majority before Farage boosted Reform. I think Labour has probably been quite clever in two ways: 1. Focussing its efforts to tip over the target seats it needed to get a reasonable majority. On that measure, one might expect it to have not made as big a step forward on share of vote at the national level, but to have shifted the dial where it most needed to. 2. Making sure it didn't ***t on its own doorstep during the campaign, knowing it was its to lose. On that basis, if it remains 'clever' i.e. professional and on the ball, it might have a different strategy at the next election.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 5, 2024 11:34:05 GMT
When you look at the share of the vote it looks a funny old result. Labour, Lib Dems and SNP all got about the same % as last election. Conservative down 20% and 'others' (mainly Reform) up 20%. There is an underlying assumption in quoting these figures that all voters voted for the candidate/party they supported. But half the country just voted for the candidate most likely to win/ unseat an incumbent . So for instance, the Lin Dem and Green vote percentages in no way reflect their actual support, or what vote total they would get in a PR system. I can't find a poll of the country that asks "Who do you actually support vs/ who are you going to vote for". We don't know the real support levels of these parties. Labour's vote if 40%+ is also totally artificial. It simply reflects that they were the likely second place challenger in all these constituencies. Do you like them? Who cares if they can oust a Tory. If the Lib Dems had been 2nd place to the tories in all these labour-won constituencies, they would have won by a landslide.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 5, 2024 11:48:08 GMT
OK, Keir's speech has bored me already. When's the next election ?
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Post by adrianc on Jul 5, 2024 11:54:11 GMT
OK, Keir's speech has bored me already. When's the next election ? Boring-but-competent would be nice for a change.
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