keitha
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Post by keitha on Jul 17, 2024 20:13:37 GMT
Lets see unnecessary data held by Govenment
NHS has Name, DOB, Address, phone number etc
Council tax has the name and address for the bill payer
electoral roll Name and address
Private dentist same as NHS
HMRC Name DOB Address NI number, employment details, NI payment details
DWP I think get above from HMRC / P45 etc
* employer ditto and I know my last employer had Car Tax and insurance details, a copy of my Passport ( to prove I had the right to work in the UK )
* Your bank or insurance company probably all of the above except NHS number
people complain about this "spying" yet will happily give all that data away for a free mars bar coupon or to TikTok, Meta etc
* not always the state and in the latter cases not, but they show what data is widely held
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Jul 18, 2024 5:31:55 GMT
Digital “Information” and “Smart Data” Bill? Let’s see how the government present it with just “words”, no demo whatsoever. The bill doesn’t say whether any people can opt out like the NHS digital. It seems “our data” will be protected and will be turned into “Smart data” for many things like, verification, “scientific” research in “commercial settings” upon request. It doesn’t even say whether third parties will pay for “smart” data for their commercial research. The best one, the ICO doesn’t store data themselves, how can they ensure the data storage providers don’t fail and leak our “smart data” in real time. It also doesn’t say whether there is a way to translate “smart data” into “our data” for tracing back individual for police detective work when requires. And how much would this bill cost when it is up and running? Will it generate profit for gov or just money down the drain? Could we trust our gov find a better way to implement the bill after the Post Office - Horizons scandal? Surely, no one else want to be denied for access for public service when the “back office” keeps patching or rewrite the data “incorrectly”? Or the “gender” has been changed accidentally on the database without request. 🤣
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jul 18, 2024 7:22:45 GMT
The bill doesn’t say whether... It literally doesn't say anything yet. The first draft hasn't been published... The headline bullet points have been announced, that's it. They've not even been in power a fortnight yet...
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 18, 2024 8:29:01 GMT
God forbid we should countenance the idea of a central digital ID card or similar scheme. I mean the country would be breaking such new and unique ground. Its not like there are any precedents in the world for us to follow or learn from. Certainly none in countries that have particular sensitivity to data privacy and protection for citizens, you know like core EU countries.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 18, 2024 17:21:31 GMT
God forbid we should countenance the idea of a central digital ID card or similar scheme. I mean the country would be breaking such new and unique ground. Its not like there are any precedents in the world for us to follow or learn from. Certainly none in countries that have particular sensitivity to data privacy and protection for citizens, you know like core EU countries. Yes but an Id card would stop illegal migrants from disappearing into the general population. They wouldn't bother to come. Then what would people have to complain about? You can't fill a whole manifesto with how you dislike trannies.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jul 19, 2024 7:03:08 GMT
God forbid we should countenance the idea of a central digital ID card or similar scheme. I mean the country would be breaking such new and unique ground. Its not like there are any precedents in the world for us to follow or learn from. Certainly none in countries that have particular sensitivity to data privacy and protection for citizens, you know like core EU countries. Yes but an Id card would stop illegal migrants from disappearing into the general population. They wouldn't bother to come. Because, of course, the requirement for proof of entitlement to rent property or work or ... doesn't already do that. Kemi Badenoch: Hold my beer.
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Jul 19, 2024 10:29:13 GMT
Would an ID card really stop illegal immigration? I doubt it. I grew up in a place where carrying ID card is mandatory, it didn’t stop immigration by boats because of the asylum policy. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2024/summary-of-latest-statisticsAccording to Home Office, we have 87000 claims and only 24,000 port returns. How many “aliens” have tried to arrive the UK without documentation? The possibility of change of “gender” I was talking about was related to a forumite’s post, the staff accidentally changed the details incorrectly. So if we have a national Digital ID database, who has the authority to update details under what circumstances? Some fundamentals details should not be allowed to change “easily”? Let alone if they implement a “broken” system like Horizons. Going back to reality, some financial institutions has already started using verification tools to identify individuals for access service without any national ID card. The real question, what kind of service can illegal immigrants can access on a day to day basis? |
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 22, 2024 22:02:08 GMT
So the next Tory leader will be available for Bonfire Night. Who's going to be the Guy (or Gal) on the pyre
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Post by registerme on Jul 22, 2024 22:03:43 GMT
So the next Tory leader will be available for Bonfire Night. Who's going to be the Guy (or Gal) on the pyre Could we not make a pyre out of multiple Guys and Dolls?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 23, 2024 21:34:55 GMT
I see Nige got his maiden speech in fairly early
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Post by overthehill on Jul 30, 2024 19:44:47 GMT
Kia Starmer has already done more u-turns than a season of Dukes of Hazzard.
'We'll have to increase taxes', says Reeves
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 30, 2024 21:13:58 GMT
Kia Starmer has already done more u-turns than a season of Dukes of Hazzard.
'We'll have to increase taxes', says Reeves
TBF, they never said they wouldn't. Any commitment they made was specifically to VAT, national insurance, and income tax increases.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 30, 2024 21:23:32 GMT
Kia Starmer has already done more u-turns than a season of Dukes of Hazzard.
'We'll have to increase taxes', says Reeves
TBF, they never said they wouldn't. Any commitment they made was specifically to VAT, national insurance, and income tax increases. and taxes on working people - which is so broad that it means they will struggle not to break the pledge
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 30, 2024 23:03:51 GMT
Hunt knew exactly what he was doing. His party was baying for tax cuts and he gambled on not winning the election and having to pick up the tab.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 31, 2024 7:31:19 GMT
TBF, they never said they wouldn't. Any commitment they made was specifically to VAT, national insurance, and income tax increases. and taxes on working people - which is so broad that it means they will struggle not to break the pledge Broad but also highly malleable: so much so that it can be interpreted to mean pretty much anything. Particularly broad in my eyes, your eyes, and many others. But when viewed through others eyes, e.g. some core labour voters, almost certainly not so broad. National Insurance and income tax are specifically taxes on "working". Capital gains tax, stamp duty on share transactions, inheritance tax, corporation tax are among those that are not taxes on "working". Closing various tax loopholes and tax benefits for the better off can easily be spun to be not a tax on "working" or on "working people" or neither. Removing the annual ISA allowance, or reducing it significantly is not a "tax on working", and can easily be sold as not increasing "tax on working people". Similarly reducing tax relief on pension contributions for higher earners (e.g. have a single relief rate regardless of one's marginal IT rate). Increasing the employer NI contribution could be sold as not a tax on working people - after all, it isn't directly even if you and I would see it as in effect being so. Not that I think they would go down this route. Yes I agree that it was sufficiently broad that they will struggle not to break that pledge and still raise sufficient additional finances. But one would have to be a fool to think that Labour was promising or intending to not raise any taxes, or the overall tax take. But that is also where the current softening up strategy of "its much worse than we were led to believe" is going to kick in as well.
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